Delicate Dance: Feds Seek Contempt Ruling Against Amos Miller Over Meat Records

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During a federal court hearing in late June, there was soothing talk from a USDA inspector that the forced inspection being sought on Amos Miller’s Pennsylvania farm was intended to “educate him about safety.”

Federal Judge Edward Smith approved the inspection order and, surprise, it turns out the ongoing inspection was about much more than educating Miller about safety.

The U.S. Department of Justice is now seeking to charge Miller with contempt of court for failing to obey demands from the U.S. Department of Agriculture they he supply the individual purchasing records of consumers who are members of Miller’s private association.

In its motion last week to the U.S. District Court for the civil contempt-of-court ruling, the DOJ includes a statement from the USDA inspector, Paul Flanagan, that describes a delicate dance going on between the USDA and Miller over the disclosure of customer receipts.

That dance is part of a larger dance between Miller and members of his private association; those members signed agreements that state in part: “Any customer/consumer records kept by the association will be strictly protected and only released upon written request of the member.” No members are requesting that Miller release their records to the feds, to my knowledge.

The Flanagan statement indicates Miller has been trying to satisfy all parties, though not successfully thus far. According to Flanagan, during an inspection visit July 11, “I asked Mr. Miller if he could provide me with the past six months of records related to the purchase, processing, and sale of meat and poultry products, Mr. Miller stated that he could not affirmatively supply/gather those records but that they were in or on his desk if I wanted to sort through his various and sundry records myself. The desk he pointed to had stacks of documents on top of it.”

Flanagan’s statement doesn’t say whether he availed himself of Miller’s offer, though the implication is that he didn’t, because he says that, “On July 19, 2016, Investigator Russell and I returned to Miller’s Organic Farm. On our arrival, I again asked Mr. Miller for defendants’ records that are associated with the slaughter, processing, transportation, purchase, and sale of Miller’s Organic Farm’s meat and poultry products….Mr. Miller did show me and allow me to copy a spiral notebook that was labeled ‘Butcher 2015.’” That book included slaughtering information—number of animals slaughtered on various dates, and their weights—but not the key information Flanagan sought about member meat purchases.

“On that date, Mr. Miller also stated that his private membership association owns his farm’s sales records and that, based on or notwithstanding the Court’s June 30 Order, it would be an invasion of his association’s privacy for him to produce the records. I replied that Mr. Miller would be in violation of the Court’s order if he did not produce the records.”

Flanagan proceeds to describe his efforts at a compromise that he argues would protect members’ identities while providing the USDA with the data it seeks, which is confirmation that Miller is selling meat not inspected by the USDA, and doing it across state lines. He says that “on July 28, I asked Mr. Miller to show me an invoice for one of his customers, he did so, but he folded the invoice so that I could not see the member-customer’s name and address. He explained that he was not showing me such information because it is ‘private’ and the property of the association members. I responded that FSIS (the Food Safety Inspection Service that is part of USDA) has no interest in a customer’s name and was not asking for any member’s personal information.”

Flanagan says that when he returned the next day, July 29, “I asked Mr. Miller to produce, for any three-month period between January 2016 and June 2016, all of his farm’s invoices related to the sale of meat and poultry products…..I explained that FSIS needed the invoices to include, without redaction: (1) the invoice date; (2) the purchaser’s city; (3) the purchaser’s state; (4) the descriptions of the meat  and poultry products sold; and (5) the weights of the meat and poultry products sold. But, as I told Mr. Miller, because of his stated concerns about his member-customers’ privacy, he could redact his member-customers’ names and street addresses. Mr. Miller declined my offer to assist him with redacting such name and street address information….On August 8, 2016, Mr. Miller called me to state that he is unwilling to produce any Miller’s Organic Farm sales records/invoices that include a member-customer’s name, address city, or state” (emphasis included by Flanagan).

A civil contempt ruling could threaten Miller with sizable fines should he fail to comply with the USDA records demand. No court date has yet been set for the court hearing on the records demand, but based on the fact that it relates to an existing order, chances are the court will act quickly, within days or weeks. What also isn’t clear is if Miller will be dancing into the court room.

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Bless\'ed are the Cheese Makers
Bless\'ed are the Cheese Makers
August 25, 2016 6:39 am

What a double standard our government lives by!! Hillary gets by literally with murder, she lies to Congress, she lies to the public, she deletes emails, she has dozens of mysterious deaths in her wake, and the DOJ, Congress, the lamestream media, and the power elite won’t touch her. On the other hand, you take a small Amish farmer who is a willing seller who sells product to a willing buyer via a contractual relationship therewith, and the government is pulling out all the stops to bring him down. The USDA, the FDA, the TSA, the Dept. of Education, and a myriad of other worthless leeching useless bureaucrats need to be abolished and put these government idiots who work for them back out into the private sector where they wouldn’t even qualify for a job as a Wal-Mart greeter. By the way, they can take these liberal federal judges who get appointed “for life” with them. What a useless waste of taxpayer money. When are we going to march on Washington DC with torches and pitchforks demanding that this crap come to an end?

lis
lis
August 25, 2016 2:27 pm

The ABC agencies and their liayers have NO control in common law.

lis
lis
August 25, 2016 3:52 pm
irene
irene
August 25, 2016 11:12 am

Hold on there Tonto, a riot would be an excuse for martial law restrictions. We need to prove the murders in a public widely accepted way. We need to prove the legislative fraud, the bribery, the active manipulation of media and communications. We need to stop the murders and the false flags. The wizard behind the curtain must be exposed. http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/breaking-death-of-wikileaks-lawyer-john-jones-qc-ruled-not-suicide-27821

lis
lis
August 25, 2016 2:45 pm

No need for riots. Wrongs can be righted in a court of record (common law), which is for man. All other courts are fraudulent and unlawful to man….they can only interact with other corporate fictions, strawman.

Roll up your sleeves and get involved.
https://fourcornersdoctrine.wordpress.com/an-introduction-to-understanding/

http://1stmichiganassembly.info/

Leon Moyer
Leon Moyer
August 25, 2016 2:06 pm

Isn’t civil contempt only over when a person comes into compliance with the court order?? If so, the judge may not use monetary fines but place him in jail until he decides to comply. The courts also do this when a person refuses to testify as a witness if the court feels the testimony is critical to the case, as the information about shipping meat across state lines is critical to this case.

lis
lis
August 25, 2016 2:26 pm

If we allow the corrupt statutory/maritime courts to invade our privacy and dictate, we are now slaves. There is man’s land court, common law, protected by the 7th amendment, research it and stop the enslavement.

lis
lis
August 25, 2016 2:29 pm
lis
lis
August 25, 2016 2:29 pm
Gordon Watson
Gordon Watson
August 26, 2016 12:31 am
contempt of court is so much fun for the Prosecutors, because the presumption is that you’re guilty. Onus is on someone charged with contempt (in the British style) to purge that allegation. If the contemnor is actually in the court itself … such as sitting in a gaol cell … but refuses to co-operate. He … maybe even she … will be sent back to the cells for 7 days. Then ( in our system here) he must be presented to open Court to have another go at it. That’s for contempt “in facie” = right in the courtroom. But there’s contempt “ex facie” = elsewhere in the jurisdiction of that particular Court. Which is what Amos Miller is – apparently – facing. Although I’ve been hard on Mr Miller up to now, I’m on his side in the contempt thing. If he told the federal Agent with the Warrant : ‘there’s the information in that pile of paper on my desk”. then that’s sufficient to comply with the Order. >>>> So it looks like it wasn’t about the milk, after all. No … it’s about the taxes that he wasn’t rendering to Caesar
lis
lis
August 25, 2016 2:23 pm

The only lawful question is, who’s been harmed or injured? If not, there’s no crime. Learn the difference between legal and lawful. If not, we remain slaves to the corrupt fake court system. Common law is the only law for man. The current corrupt statutory court is for fictions, strawman.

https://fourcornersdoctrine.wordpress.com/an-introduction-to-understanding/

Here’s the remedy. Get involved and end slavery for all: http://1stmichiganassembly.info/

Andrew Richard Teichner
Andrew Richard Teichner
August 25, 2016 3:34 pm

Well Said.

Gordon Watson
Gordon Watson
August 25, 2016 7:16 pm
well, “lis” ? … any day you come up with a report of a real person, who succeeded at anything more important than a parking ticket, using the “straw man” crap~0LA, I’m MOST interested. give us a case file # ; place where the parties convened for the hearing ; date ; ; names of the parties and their contacts so I can verify … you know = the simple basics that a good journalist provides. As Sgt. Friday used to put it on Dragnet ; “just the facts, ma’am”. Otherwise you’re just another addle-pated tyro, sucking energy of good people away from the Big Issue … a menace to those of us who are in this for the long haul. >>>> For your edification, contact Russell A . Porisky in the Canadian Federal penitentiary system, via his wife, Elaine Gould in Chilliwack BC. Mr Porisky is now serving the remainder of his 4 !/2 year sentence for tax evasion / conspiring to commit an indictable offence etc.. On July 21, I was in the courtroom in Vancouver where he appeared by CCtv from prison, before Madame Justice Gropper … grovelling for legal aid in order to appeal the verdict… Read more »
Brian DuBridge
Brian DuBridge
August 25, 2016 4:39 pm

If they really cared about the safety of the people buying the products it wouldn’t matter if they were sold across state lines. The witch hunt for cross state sales demonstrates unquestionably that they are only trying to destroy the seller for their own satisfaction. Tar and feathering of the field agents and their bosses, all involved in this action, and regular application in all like circumstances of government intervention, would solve the problem. We need to bring back the old ways of regulation by the people. The court game is the governments game.

CYNTHIA LEE ROSE
August 25, 2016 6:23 pm

I am a member… FOR YEARS… and I have never purchased animal products from Amos Miller because our club OWNS them…. invoices are for service fees to process and deliver what I already OWN…. Grrrrrr……

Mary McGonigle-Martin
Mary McGonigle-Martin
August 28, 2016 10:53 pm
Gordon Watson
Gordon Watson
August 29, 2016 6:24 pm

correct you are : a couple of children drank raw milk, got an upset stomach and one had diarrhoea. They’ll get over it, and be immune from now. Meanwhile = the same day, 12 million people in America, drank a portion of raw milk and are not only perfectly OK, but healthier, too. Making the point every time, how REAL MILK – properly produced and handled – is far and away one of the safest of all foodstuffs

Mary McGonigle-Martin
Mary McGonigle-Martin
August 30, 2016 10:22 am

Gordon, there are no details in the media about how I’ll these two young children are. Also, you do not build immunities against E.coli O157H7. We asked this question to the team of doctors treating Chris.

Gordon Watson
Gordon Watson
August 30, 2016 11:55 am

correct-a-mundo, again…. no details of the classic urban myth = ” child lying ill in hospital after drinking raw milk” >>> What’s despicable is : how the lame-stream media is so compliant as a propaganda outfall for the Dairy Cartel propaganda. >>> when we DO get details about illness purported to have been induced from consuming raw milk, and ‘run them to earth’, more often than not … it’s exposed as deliberate fearmongering. Hard evidence compiled by the Campaign for REAL MILK proves that risk of harm from raw milk – properly produced and handled – is thousands of times less than from any other foodstuff in commerce. Before November 8th, we’ll see a photo-op of Mr Trump on the steps of the Museum of Caucasian Culture, raising a glass of REAL MILK, saluting this “heritage food” of the white race = “dogwhistle politics” by a master of that Art

Mary McGonigle-Martin
Mary McGonigle-Martin
September 2, 2016 12:01 am

Classic urban myth. Really? You are the poster boy as to what is wrong with the raw milk movement. It is a complete mystery to me as to why David has allowed you access to posting on this blog.

Gordon S Watson
Gordon S Watson
September 2, 2016 12:09 pm

I am on this forum at the pleasure of Mister Gumpert = he suffers me to post because his dedication to genuine freedom of expression is sincere, and I do occasionally have something directly on -point the Campaign for REAL MILK> People like vouz, give lipservice to freedom of speech, but get ornery when confronted with some one / some fact which threatens their self-image. But “it’s all good”. The Apostle Paul had his thorn in the flesh … apparently, you’re here to fulfill that role for us.

Mary McGonigle-Martin
Mary McGonigle-Martin
September 2, 2016 3:39 pm

I like that. A thorn in the raw milk movement. Read about pathogenic Ecoli and what it can do to a child when it finds its way into raw milk. That is this thorns message.

Gordon S Watson
Gordon S Watson
September 2, 2016 5:00 pm

there is room for constructive criticism in every institution. Your problem = ma’am = is that you’re locked-in to a narrative in which emotion overruled everything. You have yet to acknowledge that the incidence of major harm from raw milk – properly produced and handled – is thousands of times less than other foodstuffs. Literally every day, people fall ill from bad food …. today, it’s bagged salad. But I don’t see you going on about shutting down producers of all the produce dept.s in retail stores. The amount of time and effort you’ve spent railing against the best food in the world, is ridiculously out of proportion to the reality of what’s going on in the real world. …. as opposed to the nightmare film-loop running in the back of your mind, since your son almost died. As Ann Landers used to put it “you need professional help”

Mary McGonigle-Martin
Mary McGonigle-Martin
September 2, 2016 11:08 pm

Thank you Gordon, 9 years ago some one told me I needed professional help and I took it to heart and hired the best counselor in the nation. His name is Bill Marler. I am truly indebted to you insensitive raw milk extremists for all your harassment. Best decision I ever made for my son. Just keep insulting me Gordon. It just fuels me.

Gordon Watson
Gordon Watson
September 8, 2016 11:14 pm

old Marshal McLuhan taught me : “information overload brings pattern recognition” … Scotland is the stage for the latest episode of Dairy cartel demon-ization of raw milk, in which – the image of the ‘child who died’ is trotted-out. Of course we can never chase down the facts about that appeal to sentiment. Dunsyre Blue cheese from raw milk has the hard evidence to prove a priori that it isn’t culpable, but that doesn’t stop the authorities from blaming them. Meanwhile 2 people out of 161, died after being sickened by bagged salad greens. Is that outlawed? ! Logic be damn’d.

Mary McGonigle-Martin
Mary McGonigle-Martin
September 11, 2016 10:57 pm

Bagged greens are high risk for contamination with E.coli. It is like the risk for hamburger. One small part is contaminated and then it is mixed with a larger batch and now the whole thing is contaminated. Both foods are consumed by most people, so when there is an outbreak the numbers are large. The reason raw milk is banned is because infants and children consume it the most and infants and children are at the greatest risk for illness because of their underdeveloped immune systems. It is not rocket science Gordon to figure out the why. Cow shit and children do not mix well.

Gordon Watson
Gordon Watson
September 12, 2016 12:16 am
contrary to your befuddled post : raw milk is not “banned” in 41 of the 50 states in the US of A. Since I started paying attention to this issue ( nigh-on 1999 ) the situation went from most of them banning raw milk, to reversing what was on the law books then. Are all those thousands of legislators idiots? Or is it the case that they were educated by the Weston A Price Institute with the facts needed to make a good decision? >>>> Your accumulated postings on this website, are a textbook definition of “bigot” = someone who maintains her opinion in the face of overwhelming evidence that it’s illogical. >>> The brilliant work of Mark McAffee and his associates, has given us understanding of why REAL MILK improves the health of those who drink it : because it is the most powerful, agency we know of for cultivating immunity, with virtually no adverse effects. The campaign to demonize it – is moved by entities which profit from Dis-ease. Any day you want to pit the health benefits of REAL MILK, against compulsory vaccination, you’ll get your eyes opened by the proven harms of the poisoned needle. Monkey… Read more »
Ken Conrad
Ken Conrad
September 12, 2016 5:43 am

Good organic cow shit Mary has never dung me or my children and grand children any harm.

As well, the east Indians seem to realize something about Cow shit and children that you don’t. They have a ritual whereby children are dunked and encouraged to run and role around in cow shit. Hindus believe that cow urine and dung have medicinal properties and the ancient Indian medical science known as the Ayurveda appears to back that up.
http://www.weirdasianews.com/2016/01/26/indian-children-rolled-in-cow-poop-for-good-luck/

Based on your belief you might want to steer clear of Hindu children… and livestock farmer’s children.

MAGA
MAGA
September 15, 2016 6:08 pm

“Cow shit and children do not mix well.”

You are anti-science and anti-happy childhood.

Ken Conrad
Ken Conrad
August 30, 2016 8:54 am

Mary,
This news release you referenced uses the usual, repetitive rhetoric, in order to arouse fear and superstition. It is hardly worth the paper it’s printed on. You and the germaphobe fearing public in general, aught to take the time to read Joel Salatin’s well thought out book, “The Marvelous Pigness of Pigs”. In the book he states, “I would suggest that a culture that views its pigs, (animals and microbes) as just mechanical objects to be reprogrammed and manipulated will view its citizens the same way, and ultimately God the same way”. Emphasis in brackets is mine.

Mary McGonigle-Martin
Mary McGonigle-Martin
August 31, 2016 8:34 pm

So Ken, to clarify, it does not bother you that young children become ill from raw milk?

Andrew Richard Teichner
Andrew Richard Teichner
September 1, 2016 9:02 am

So Mary, to clarify it does not bother you that young children become ill because they ate wheat doused with Roundup?

Mary McGonigle-Martin
Mary McGonigle-Martin
September 1, 2016 9:57 am

Does Roundup have an entire organization claiming that eating wheat sprayed with Roundup is healthy for you and you should eat this wheat versus organic wheat?

Andrew Richard Teichner
Andrew Richard Teichner
September 1, 2016 2:47 pm
Mary McGonigle-Martin
Mary McGonigle-Martin
September 1, 2016 11:55 pm

Maybe I missed something in the 45 pages you posted, but I didn’t see where it said that pesticide laden wheat was healthier than organic, nor did I see where it said it was immune boosting and should be fed to infants and children.

Ken Conrad
Ken Conrad
September 1, 2016 9:34 am

Yes Mary, it does bother me when children become ill, for whatever the reason. As to whether raw milk is solely responsible for a child’s illness, is open to interpretation and belief. There are many factors involved that lend to a child becoming ill including the progression of said illness. Singling raw milk out as the primary cause of illness and resulting complications is based on an ambiguous and narrow train of thought that lacks overall credibility.

I have been drinking raw milk and feeding it to my children, grandchildren, friends, relatives and neighbors for close to 60 years now, with no ill effect. So from my perspective it is difficult for me to wrap my around this notion that raw milk is as dangerous as some would have us believe.

Mary McGonigle-Martin
Mary McGonigle-Martin
September 1, 2016 11:57 pm

Ken, I have to disagree with your first paragraph, but can accept your perspective based on what you wrote in the 2nd paragraph.

Ken Conrad
Ken Conrad
September 2, 2016 8:48 am
Mary, Hmmm… then can it be said that food safety is in the eye of the beholder? If so, then our freedom to choose aught to rank first and foremost when deciding to consume raw milk and feed it to our children! Right? Based on personal experience I can truly identify with this observation made by Joel Salatin, “At sustainable agriculture conferences, most of the workshops are positive how-tos. I almost never hear much discussion about sickness and disease. The overriding desire is how to work with nature as a benevolent friend. This is completely opposite of the theme at industrial agriculture conferences—the kind put on by mainstream agribusiness. Nearly all the discussions center around diseases and sicknesses. The overriding desire is how to beat nature, how to win, as if nature is the enemy that must be subjugated like a military conquest.” Indeed, and no more is this evident then in the agricultural universities and farm publications/magazines and newsletters that rely on funding from chemical and drug companies such as Monsanto, Dupont, DowAgro, Bayer, Pfizer, GlaxoSmithKline, Merk. Novartis, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. The impression given is that these chemicals and drugs are in essence, not harmful and that… Read more »
Andrew Richard Teichner
Andrew Richard Teichner
September 2, 2016 11:17 am

Mary: This discussion is worthless, Your mission (self interest) is to discredit people and their opinions. The periodic chart is my guide and you are not. Your belief that corporations like Monsanto and the like are in this for the greater good and do no harm is more important than the bottom line is based on? Fact is killing life that has not been immunized against a broad spectrum poison like glyphosate is irrational and deadly to god given life and does not sync with the periodic chart…..or maybe you believe the periodic chart is wrong. Enough said, I will leave the last words for you and I will not waste valuable energy to respond. Community brings peace.

mark mcafee
Mark Mcafee
September 3, 2016 12:50 pm
According to the latest data coming from CDFA and others, CA lost 53 dairies in the first 5 months of 2016. CA only has about 1300 dairies. For 2016 that accounts for a projected loss of about 120 dairies. This will be the largest loss of dairies in a single year in the history of CA dairies. Why? Pasteurization is the reason. These dairies are subject to governemnt price setting and have no way to create value for hard work. That price sits far below cost of production. The other reason is greed. If all of the dairies could agree to: 1. Cut off production for three days to take back control of their own milk flows ( supply control ) 2. Set their own price and force processors to take that price….this tragedy would end. Dairymen instead refuse to work together. All the while, raw milk is doing just fine. This is so sad and so totally avoidable. The conventional dairies all see each other as each others enemies to be eliminated. It is a canabalistic model, that ultimately consumes itself as they prey upon each other and they all die instead. We are watching a massive change occur… Read more »
Bill Murphy
Bill Murphy
September 3, 2016 3:42 pm

Mark, for these 53 lost dairies, could this decline actually be due to mergers and acquisitions? Is any agency tracking the gross quantity of fluid milk heading to the processors? Has that declined at all?

Ken Conrad
Ken Conrad
September 4, 2016 11:03 am
“Dairymen instead refuse to work together.” Indeed Mark, and this was exactly the situation that dairy farmers in Ontario (and Canada) were faced with in the late 1950’s and sixties when the provincial and federal governments decided to step in an legislate a milk marketing board system that gave dairy farmers the power to limit supply via quota and negotiate with processors, government and consumer representatives, price increases based on a cost of production formula. Initially, it was a real boost for dairy farmers in the province…at least for the first 20 years. After that it all went to hell in a hen basket, thanks to government sponsored cheap food policies. As I previously stated, “The few remaining dairy farmers that are left in Canada are in debt up to their eyebrows. From 1971 to 2011, under the reign of quota managed marketing boards the number of dairy farms in Canada has dropped by 91 percent. In my area where we used to have over 40 producers in the early 1970’s, there are now less then a handful left”. The trend continues to this day. The problem…policies that were initially set up at the time in order to protect localized… Read more »
mark mcafee
Mark Mcafee
September 3, 2016 5:16 pm

Bill, in the past you would be right about mergers. In the last three years we have seen a big decline in numbers of cows and a significant decline in total milk volumes.

mark mcafee
Mark Mcafee
September 5, 2016 3:54 pm

It finally happened. Scott on the Kardashians is featured on an episode trying to convince his girlfriend Kourtney Kardashian that her dairy allergies are not from real dairy and the refrig has OPDC raw milk on the shelf!!!

We will see where this takes us. Sorry to say that the trend setters for the next generations reside in Hollywood or Malibu and dominate the social networks. With opdc raw milk being set as an example of real milk….that does not cause all those allergies. There is something there.

Sorry I don’t have a link. It was a twitter video link feed. But dairy allergy has hit the big time and those that know better that drink OPDC from hundreds of LA area stores are getting this story out. Raw milk is not related to dairy allergy and fact it raw milk makes allergies get better!!!

This is the kind of exposure and open dialogue that moves raw milk mountains.

Ken Conrad
Ken Conrad
September 8, 2016 3:17 pm
Lynn_M
Lynn_M
September 9, 2016 5:51 pm

Fresh milk products price-fixing class action lawsuit. Fill out the form at http: //www. boughtmilk. com/ to submit your claim. Bloomberg’s story about the case is at
http: //www. bloomberg. com/news/articles/2016-09-08/cow-killing-and-price-fixing-in-your-supermarket-dairy-aisle. The case is about cooperatives killing off their cows to raise dairy prices. It is not about the prices of raw milk sold directly to consumers.

Bill Murphy
Bill Murphy
September 9, 2016 11:34 pm

If it’s cooked, it’s not fresh.

Lynn_M
Lynn_M
September 10, 2016 11:56 pm

Bill, I totally agree with you. But “fresh milk products” is the term used at the official website for the Fresh Milk Products Price-Fixing Class Action Lawsuit. I suppose we should blame the lawyers for their misappropriation of the word “fresh”. It did hook me into reading the story though.

Ken Conrad
Ken Conrad
September 10, 2016 9:50 am

Getting rid of dairy cows in order to manage supply is, and has always has been, a fact of life for dairy farmers. Usually it is the mediocre cattle that are sent off for slaughter; better that that then getting paid a pittance and/or having to dump ones milk down the drain, in ditches or on the field because the processor refuses to accept it.

In Canada where supply is management via a quota system for the last 50 some odd years, farmers still find themselves overproducing and having to get rid of cows either via slaughter.

In the United States I can remember on at least one occasion when the government instituted a program to pay its dairy farmers a fixed amount to cull dairy cows from their herds in order to limit production. Sure enough farmers made the sensible decision to take advantage of this subsidy in order to get rid of their less productive cows. It was a win win situation for them, and after all was said and done, the program did little to resolve the surplus of milk. Within a couple of years they were right back in the same boat.

mark mcafee
Mark Mcafee
September 9, 2016 10:51 pm

A huge congrats to Michael. Relief of some of this pressure is well deserved. I wish the judge had sanctioned the prosecutor or the crown for abuse of Michaels rights.

Ken Conrad
Ken Conrad
September 11, 2016 12:16 am
mark mcafee
mark mcafee
September 12, 2016 11:22 am
Blessed, I must totally disagree with your assessment of Hillary. The power of a lie…. It is so true that a lie told enough times becomes a real truth to some people. Donald Trump has shown the naivety of minority of American citizens through his psycho babble, bullying, treasonous, narcissism and violent socio pathic behavior, I would go so far as to say also his use of a brain washing technique that has literally mesmerized and hypmotized a part of a nation. Hillary has dedicated herself to good things all of her life including public service, children’s causes and human rights and moral justice. The idea that she is a liar, a murderer or any of other of the sociopathic descriptions given by Trump is an embarrassment to the truth and reality. Trump is himself a fascist liar and a Hitler-ish night mare. The idea that an American person would do anything, cheat any one, declare bankruptcy 4 times just not pay hard working contractors ( and brag and gloat that this was a brilliant use of the justice system!! ) , be a racist to employees, express disgust of women, make fun of the physically challenges and latino judges…just… Read more »
Bora Petski
Bora Petski
September 12, 2016 1:03 pm

“Our economy has never been better, consumer confidence is higher than ever…and unemployment is exceptionally low”

Hey Mark, you might want to take a look at this:

http://investmentwatchblog.com/tent-cities-full-of-homeless-people-are-booming-in-cities-all-over-america-as-poverty-spikes/

MAGA
MAGA
September 15, 2016 6:22 pm

We shouldn’t elect Trump because you just know he’s taken money from Russia? As opposed to Hillary who DID take money from Russia?

We shouldn’t elect Trump because Bush got us into bad wars that Trump opposed and Hillary supported?

I feel sorry for the Democrats; this is their Bob Dole moment. Well, if Dole was a corrupt liar who took bribes from foreign governments and had a trail of dead bodies following his rise to power.

Anyone who would claim that Hillary isn’t a corrupt liar who should be in jail over her mishandling of classified material completely lacks any credibility. She is beyond defense.

As to the dead bodies part, its entirely circumstantial. Yet no other politician has been so dogged by such a large number of suspicious murders. This goes way way back, long before Trump came on the scene.

mark mcafee
mark mcafee
September 12, 2016 7:40 pm
Bora, I did not say we are perfect….far from it. We have work to do. But the economic measures give the bigger picture of progress. The American dollar is very strong, food is cheap, gas is very cheap…unemployment is at record lows. About the homeless. As a paramedic, I cared for the homeless every single day and night….especially at 2 AM in the morning and even later. Every one of them has a story and each and every one of them that I touched was a real human. Statistically, they are veterans, the addicted, the brain damaged, the mentally ill, the under educated, the drop outs, the socially excluded, the under-skilled. Right now….America is in a deficit of skilled workers. Yet….the homeless could not fill those jobs, because of their social skills etc. Some would not take or keep take a job even if it was provided. There is a thing called structural unemployment. We are at that point in America today. America is a freedom loving capitalistic country. That means winners and losers. In America…you have to be driven, smart and damn hard working or you will not be on the upside of the scale. That’s the way America… Read more »
Alan G.
Alan G.
September 25, 2016 6:58 am

Oh Mark, we have heard all this cheerleading and hopeful hyping of our broken economy for a decade — always there may be “some progress” and “recovery right around the corner”. It’s all bunk. The American economy remains, after nearly a decade, under intense stimulus in the form of near-zero interest rates. The Federal Reserve understands interest rate (or lack thereof) is the only thing holding up the economy and the stock market. Yellin is convinced to restore interest rates by even one quarter of one percent will tank the markets and destroy our American economy once and for all. Even the media has a sense of this — you will notice they never speak of restoring interest rates but always ominously refer to raising rates, as if zero or below is the normal setpoint for interest rates in America. Mark, you can be certain the economy is sitting up and taking nourishment when interest rates are restored to, say, 3 to 3 1/2 percent. Until then stick to hyping RAWMI.

bora petski
bora petski
September 26, 2016 9:33 pm

“structural unemployment” sounds like a bridge over troubled waters, but I’d be all for it starting with the raw milk. Give these people a cow and compost!

bora petski
bora petski
September 26, 2016 9:41 pm

Mark, please explain how we are a “freedom loving” country, when we have more people in jail than any other including China or banana republics etc. Nothing personal, just wondering how we get so deceived by social/political speak with no apparent repercussions to the rich.

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