Raw Milk Fantasies and America’s New Cult of Personality

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Raw milk is part of a fantasy liberal nirvana, in a skit from Saturday Night Live. (Link in last paragraph of my post.)

On November 9, the day after the election, Eric Tucker, an Austin businessman, noticed a group of buses parked in a lot not far from where demonstrations against Donald Trump’s election were going on. When he couldn’t find any notices on Google of conferences in the area, he jumped to the conclusion that those buses had brought in groups of paid protesters.

He tweeted about what he deduced, complete with photos of the buses: “Anti-Trump protestors not as organic as they seem.”

It turned out the buses Tucker observed had brought in several thousand people connected with a conference put on by a local software company. Journalists who checked with the bus company and the software company were both told the buses had nothing to do with the demonstrations going on some blocks away, but reality stopped mattering very shortly after the tweet. A story that lots of people welcomed, portraying liberals as cheating and underhanded, was too luscious to pass up, and thousands ran with it, including President-elect Donald Trump, who re-tweeted it as if it were fact.  Over the next few days, before the original tweeter backtracked and labeled it false, it would be re-tweeted 16,000 times and shared 350,000 times on Facebook.

We know all this thanks to some excellent digging by the New York Times, which traced the mischievous post’s origination and movement along social media.

Last week, the raw milk community was treated to a similar example of fake news, when The Healthy Home Economist put up a blog post that ”Donald Trump drinks raw milk!” Because of Trump’s supposed health kick, we could expect to see changes to America’s policies regarding small farms and the interstate ban on raw milk, the post said.

How did Sarah Ann Pope, who runs the blog and is on the board of the Weston A. Price Foundation, know that Donald Trump drinks raw milk? Well, that’s where things get sketchy. Pope wrote that it’s “the word on the street” in Florida. Other evidence? That Trump’s wife is from Slovenia, and there are lots of raw milk vending machines in Slovenia…..and after all, everyone from Slovenia drinks raw milk, right?

The post got shared some on Facebook, where I got into some animated discussions with people who were convinced of the post’s truth, mainly because it “makes sense” or “seems like it could be true.” Their best evidence: Trump offers organic food at some of his properties, and he seems to have a lot of energy.

To their credit, a number of readers at Pope’s blog took sharp issue with her fantasizing, pointing out that Trump brags about his love of fast food, and also noting that having lots of energy doesn’t always equate with eating good food.

When I inquired with Pope about her sources, she simply responded, “More coming, and hopefully soon!” I hope that doesn’t mean more fake news.

This isn’t the first time I’ve had discussions on social media about Trump’s views on food. During the election campaign, one very passionate Trump supporter posted several claims that Trump is a backer of raw milk and other good food. Others chimed in agreement. When I asked for the evidence, I got more of the same, “It sure makes sense” or pointing to his wife’s European background.

What is this free-pass-to-Trump on food all about? Part of it is a desire to build Trump up as some kind of food and health savior, despite the absence of any evidence he takes a special interest in food and health matters. I’ve seen in social media a similar desire on behalf of Vladimir Putin, the president of Russia. Somehow he’s been anointed a health advocate because Russia has joined Europe in limiting genetically modified crops.

I think a lot of it has to do with excitement over the authoritarian leadership that Trump promises. Some of it certainly also has to do with resentment about America’s long-time support of Big Ag, and its crackdown on small farms and associated fear-mongering about raw milk.

Just because a Trump administration promises to be different than the one it replaces doesn’t mean it will be more responsive to the interests of small farms or sympathetic to the desires of raw milk drinkers for freedom of choice in their food acquisition decisions. No one would welcome a shift on farming and raw milk by the feds more than I would, but so far, all I’ve seen is a guy who publicizes his fondness for fast food, and has declined to offer a hard view on food and health matters.

At one point last September, Trump railed in a press handout against “the food police” at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, but shortly afterwards, all mention of his criticism had been deleted from his web site, and officials refused to explain the back-and-forth. Certainly not the kind of decisiveness and outspokenness you want from someone who is supposed to be a passionate supporter of good food.

What I sense here in the eagerness by some foodies to build Trump up is their propensity for cult of personality. They have it at the Weston A. Price Foundation in Sally Fallon, and they see in Trump an opportunity to latch onto a much more powerful authority figure. In the world of cult of personality, anything goes in building up the authoritarian—conspiracy theories, made-up events, blaming of “enemies”—all, of course,  so long as the narrative sides with the big man/woman in charge.

The problem in such a world is that the Supreme Leader can never be wrong. It’s a make-believe world.

Following up on this theme, Saturday Night Live ran a cute skit about such a make-believe world last Saturday, a world where liberals could live the lives they had before Trump. This world was called “The Bubble.” (Worth watching if you have three minutes.) Especially notable about “The Bubble” was what was promised: Hybrid cars, used bookstores, and “small farms with the rawest milk you ever tasted” (paid for with a one-dollar bill adorned with the face of Bernie Sanders). Funny to see how the perception of raw milk has shifted, even in liberal circles. And heartening that it was all clearly presented as a fantasy.

78 comments to Raw Milk Fantasies and America’s New Cult of Personality

  • Gary Ogden

    I’m hoping for the best with Trump, but with Monsanto’s best friend (and author of the Dark Act) running the CIA, I’m not impressed so far. If he cleans out the rot at the CDC, that will cover a multitude of sins.
    I must say that I’m no more impressed with the author of that rumor, whom I believe is now vice president of WAPF, than I am with the president.

  • Mark Mcafee Mark Mcafee

    I really enjoyed the SNL Skit….thx David. Great laugh.

    It is interesting to me to hear socalled left leaning liberals claiming raw milk as their ” good food ” movement, yet the hard core Alt Right Conservatives embrace it with fervor as well. Perhaps raw milk has no political agenda….maybe its just damn good food.

    RAWMI has been embraced by the left, right and middle, the world, the Cosmonauts and well
    …Just about everyone. It has no political face because safe delicious raw milk that has a long shelf life and does not make people sick is embraced by everyone.

    Thank you David for these words and your coverage of the Cult of Personality phenomenon. This one snuck up on us all. With Hillary winning about $1.5 million more in the popular vote….there is serious concern for representative democratic structure “that is of and by the people” not just the electoral college.

    My hope is that Trump continues to screw up so badly, that both the republicans and democrats immediately move for impeachment and removal from office. He has already shown his colors by meeting foreign heads of government and asking for rights to build hotels and have rights for offshore wind power generation. This is in direct violation of presidential conduct. He has shown one color…the color of green. That’s money and the more he makes the more he wins. That’s what he is. He is the ultimate cult of personality figure head. The cult being…..Trumps winning greed and the need feed his personal engrandizement.

    One sick bastard. Even the republicans feel scared now. Should see John McCain react to Trumps embracing Water Boarding!!! And use of even worse forms of torture. He was down right mad and passionately so. It is my hope that Trump just completely loses it and gets immediately impeached by both houses of congress, so we can awake from this nightmare of the Cult of Personality. I would take Paul Ryan any day over this self serving unethical, racist, nazi pompous ass.

    • Ken Conrad Ken Conrad

      Mark,
      There is one thing in grade school that I can distinctly remember the nuns placing particular emphasis on, “Ne veulent pas de mauvaises choses sur les autres”… Do not wish bad things on others.

      On several occasions you have used the term “karma” in your comments on this site. Tell me, what do you think of this statement by American syndicated columnist, Charley Reese?

      “When you wish bad karma on others, it comes back on you like a boomerang. You’d think by now you would have figured this out!”

    • D. Smith D. Smith

      @ Mark: Wow. Bitter much? You do realize that when you wish for Trump to screw up so badly that he will be impeached and removed from office that you are also wishing the same on the american public, right? I mean, you do understand that don’t you? Such vitriol isn’t what this country needs right now, nor is the division caused by articles like this one. I’m sorry but I just cannot tolerate the absolute hatred shown here and will not be coming back. I always thought american’s would allow elected people a chance to either succeed or pack it in before the public pounced like a pack of hyena’s but today’s democratic party is not like it used to be. That sure is obvious here. The bias is unbelievable. I myself am taking a wait and see stance, and we all should do that before wishing bad stuff on the entire country. A dose of growing up wouldn’t hurt, either.

  • Mark Mcafee Mark Mcafee

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality

    “The Masses are Asses”….one of the great quotes of all times….guess who said this?

  • Mark Mcafee Mark Mcafee

    What did the good people of Germany do in 1935-1940 when Hitler emerged? They just tolerated like a frog in ever warming water….until it boils to death.

    • Gordon Watson

      Mr McAfee = your latest posting being a perfect example of the internet phenomenon : “reductio ad Hitleram”, i.e. … first one to equate the subject to Hitler, loses.

      • David Gumpert David Gumpert

        I know how much you admire the new crew coming in to Washington, and maybe that’s why you don’t care for comparisons to Hitler. The reality is that many people, including the German people, continue to try to figure out how the hell the super civilized Germans fell into what can only be called a trance over Hitler. An excellent book you may want to take a look at (and there have been many trying to assess just what happened to the German people during those years): “Hitler’s Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust”. The title pretty much says it all, that ordinary Germans not only knew what was going on in terms of the Holocaust, but approved it.

        So it’s a bit disconcerting to some of us who respect history, to see Americans begin to fall into a trance over an overt authoritarian like Mr. Trump. Where there had been not even the hint of a benefit of the doubt for Ms. Clinton, many seem willing (like a number of those who hang around here and at WAPF) to give him the benefit of the doubt, and then some. They are certain he approves of raw milk and will defend small farms, even though the facts provide not a bit of support to that notion. I like to call it cult of personality, and Hitler had it in droves.

        • Dennis

          LMAO. Trump is a strange sort of “authoritarian”. No military experience. One who did not seek political office until he was 70 years old? A man for the most part happy making a reality TV show. LOL. Now he is the second coming of Hitler? You are absolutely off your rocker. You talk about evidence of whether or not he drinks raw milk yet look at the wild eyed fear mongering you are taking part in. As far as books describing what happened in Germany I would recommend a book written from a man actually living in those times who toured the country and talked to the Germans trying to discover what exactly happened. A man born in the late 50s is probably not the best as his view is going to be blocked by the Allies narratives and propaganda written into the history books. Here is a real look at that subject from a man who traveled there right after the war so the story woulnd’t be lost or tainted by the prejudice of the victors. http://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

          • David Gumpert David Gumpert

            Dennis, I’m sorry to break the news, but Hitler was a strange sore of “authoritarian”. Not even German, but Austrian (too bad no birther movement then). No political experience. No business or professional success. The antithesis of the superior “Aryan” race he extolled.

            That narrative you refer to is very interesting. Here is an excerpt. Keep in mind, we are at the very beginning of the process.

            “But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

            “And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all.”

            That helps explain why I tend to believe our coming “fuhrer”, take him at his word. And why I am determined to speak out at the beginning. At least I will have tried.

  • Jeff

    Mark, the match that lit the flame to burn Rawesome and Miller. Karma will be interesting for you. Have fun with your skimmed whole milk.
    David, I have come to realize the slant of your news and it is 90% worthless. You do a dis-service to people looking for an unbiased report.

    • David Gumpert David Gumpert

      Unbiased? When did I ever represent myself as being unbiased?

      This is a blog, Jeff, and blogs, by their nature, represent the viewpoints of the writer.

  • Blesse\'d are the cheese makers

    Well. I cannot stay out of this one.

    With all due respect to all who post on this blog:

    I will start with Mr. Gumpert’s article. I understand you are free to write about whatever you want, Sir. It is your blog. However, coming from a more “conservative” perspective, citing the NY Times as a source for any proposition has no value to me and proves no point to me. The NYT is a total left wing trash rag in my view. Like CNN, MSNBC, ABC, Moveon.org (Soros), Wall Street Journal and many of the other leftie Marxist propaganda media pundits, the NY Times’ opinion on about anything other than restaurant reviews and travel has no credibility to me and is the poster child for the current term “Fake News.” All the NY Times has done for the last several months is trash Trump — spin, weave and dodge. So, to say they have done some “excellent digging” means zero to me. They have an agenda and they will stop at nothing to advance their agenda — facts be damned. They will apparently continue their attack on Trump even now and they will fan the flames of discord to anyone who, like Mr. McAfee, will listen to their Fake News BS and accept it as gospel.

    In addition, using rhetoric like “authoritarian leadership” and the “Supreme Leader” when referring to Trump is a bit melodramatic, don’t you think? Going back to earlier posts by this writer and others, give the guy a chance, will ya? Geez . . .

    As far as the little SNL skit entitled “The Bubble”, I urge you to go back and look at the facial expression of the young lady who takes a drink of the alleged “raw milk.” She looks like she is getting ready to puke after taking that drink. Not a very good depiction of the liberal “foodie” bunch to me. But, hey, what do I know.

    I don’t know if Trump drinks “raw milk” or not. I am not sure what difference that makes. I am just as skeptical as anyone else on the “foodie” side of him. I do not know enough to comment one way or the other. However, I do know this. Today he announced that he would have the US withdraw from the TPP. That is a good thing for America. The RINO’s, including the current president, have been doing everything they can to give away American sovereignty to the UN and other outside countries for the last several years. (Probably started with George H.W. Bush). The TPP was one way for them to skirt around the will of the American people. I hope Trump follows through with this, for the sake of the US of A.

    As to Mr. McAfee’s two-year old temper tantrum tirade, don’t even think of using John McCain as an example of a good conservative in attempt to make a point to me. “Conservative Review” rates McCain with a score of 32%, a woefully failing grade in any class I can ever remember taking. That’s pretty much not showing up. I do not know what kind of Kool-Aid they drink in Arizona, but he is another RINO (Republican In Name Only) that I wish would just go home and go away. Why they keep voting him in term after term is beyond my comprehension.

    Paul Ryan? His score at Conservative Review is a dismal 51%, a little above McCain, but still pretty much in there with many leftie Democrats. In this regard, Ryan is just another RINO cited by McAfee that proves no point at all to a conservative. I can only hope we get a new Speaker come January. We’ll see . . .

    Mr. McAfee continues to whine about the popular vote and why Hillary should win in view of the popular vote. I tried to give Mr. McAfee a lesson in the Constitution the other day and why we have an Electoral College system. As noted before, Mr. McAfee apparently ditched Civics Class and also did not bother to read my prior treatise on the Electoral College. I urge you, Mr. McAfee, to do a little research on why the Electoral College is there and why it serves as a check and balance against mob rule. Reading is a good thing. Sometimes we get to learn stuff when we do that . . .

    I will point out that the vast majority of these extra 1.5 million votes come from three areas — namely, California, Washington state, and New York. Thank God these three states do not get to run the rest of the country and thank God our forefathers had the foresight to allow EACH STATE in the union to have a weighted stake in the presidential election. Otherwise, at some point, by mere majority rule, California and New York would eventually get to run it all. I can think of nothing short of being in hell if that were to happen.

    By the way, I would like someone to give me a bullet point by bullet point treatise on why California and the way its government has operated for the last 20 years should serve as a template for the rest of us in the other 49 states. Personally, I like it when California talks of secession. By all means, secede! If they were to do that, then they could all go to their safe spaces and live happily ever after and have a happy ending, just like we see in all the movies they produce out there — drinking hot chocolate, singing and swaying to the song “Kumbaya” and coloring in their coloring books.

    Finally, the most Hitlerian demagogue that I have seen in my lifetime is about to leave office. As such, these allusions to Hitler are a matter of perspective.

    Just my two cents and worth every penny of it!

    • David Gumpert David Gumpert

      Cheese Maker,
      You’re correct about the woman in the SNL skit making a face after drinking raw milk. Guess I thought that was an improvement over the usual liberal depiction of raw milk as poison….and raw milk was up there with used book stores. And I agree with you about the electoral college–it was just one component of a well conceived system of checks and balances in our Constitution.

      As for the TPP, not sure either of us knows enough about it to say what should happen (and that includes Trump). For all the problems of these trade agreements, one thing I know we’d find is that exports (which these agreements encourage) account for a lot of American jobs. Word is already out that the Chinese are prepared to help Asia with China’s own version of TPP. If the Chinese see value, it’s certainly because of the jobs they envision.

      Now, on the NYTimes, with all due respect, I’ll just say I know much more about journalism and the media than I do about cheese making, and it’s a show of ignorance for you to say “citing the NY Times as a source for any proposition has no value to me and proves no point to me.” When the NY Times publishes a news story like the one I cited tracing the background of a fake news story, you know the story was well researched, because they cite their sources by name, and quote them verbatim. The NY Times has umpteen Pulitzer Prizes and more than 150 years in business as a reputable journalistic source to back that up. Now, you may disagree with their editorials and columnists, and that is fair enough, but that is a separate area from the news articles.

      It’s interesting that Trump chose yesterday to visit the NY Times offices, and be interviewed by a number of NY Times reporters. He has made clear how much he dislikes the NY Times (among many other publications), but he didn’t visit there and do one of his only in-depth interviews because he considers it a publisher of fake news. He did it because he knows it’s respectable, and right now he is very interested in respectability.

      • Gordon Watson

        does the name “Jason Blair” ring a bell? the integrity of the NY Times went down the toilet, when they succumbed to “diversity” for its own sake, and printed his fake news. And he wasn’t the only one.

        a good primer on the topic is the book = Journalistic Fraud: How The New York Times Distorts the News and Why It Can No Longer Be Trusted by Bob Kohn. After figuring out for demselves that the lame-stream media – LED by the Grey Lady – were a major part of the problem in Ham-merica, millions of electors voted for the only alternative. “Draining the swamp” ? no … more like = Donald Trump was merely the handle which Americans use to flush the toilet

        • David Gumpert David Gumpert

          Yes, Jayson Blair was a plagiarist, someone who made news stories up for the New York Times, some 13 years ago. Plagiarism is a risk of the news trade, much like E.coli O157:H7 is a risk of the raw milk business. Just because you have an “outbreak” doesn’t necessarily mean you are evil or that you go out of business. Like in the case of Mark McAfee, and other dairy farmers that have served tainted milk, you try to figure out what went wrong and fix it. The NY Times, and other publications victimized by dishonest reporters, have added a number of safeguards, including more fact checking by editors before articles are published. That’s why I am very confident in the accuracy of that NY Times article tracing the “news” about the buses supposedly carrying demonstrators. That article was no doubt very well checked before being published.

          Really surprised at you, Gordon. You sound like your nemesis, Mary Martin, holding onto a relatively isolated incident from 13 years ago to discredit a highly respected news producer.

          Here is some background on plagiarists, and what happens to them. Jayson Blair never could get back into journalism after his foray into fiction.
          https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2012/08/21/5-famous-plagiarists-where-are-they-now/

          • Gordon Watson

            just last month, the CIA declassified a very small part of its involvement in the assassination of John Kennedy, particularly, that the director took part in covering-up a vital aspect of it = its connection to Lee Harvey Oswald prior to the shooting. My point being : the effluxion of time does not exculpate the perpetrators of a crime, in that case, that the CIA were = at the very least = accomplices after the fact.

            Fake news can also be accomplished omitting to tell the truth. : The day we see the New York Times publish an accurate report of the attack upon the USS Liberty by the Israeli armed forces, in the opening hours of the 1967 conflict with Egypt, will be the day I have any respect for it.

          • Mary McGonigle-Martin

            It has only been 10 years

          • Amanda

            “only” a decade. lol

  • Mark Mcafee Mark Mcafee

    Wow….

    Today I heard from an almond seller ( he buys American Almonds from American farmers and sells them overseas ) that his over seas trader relationships have literally died. The buyers are terrified that US Trade Agreements are being destroyed by Trump and the worlds ability to buy and sell in a normal system is going to be destroyed by the threatening American Bully. Prices for almonds are down and movement has stalled.

    David….your blog has been over taken by the Alt-Right.

    I am done….

    • Blesse\'d are the cheese makers

      Trigger Warning:

      I am so sorry these mean ol’ “Alt-Right” folks out here “triggered” Mr. McAfee. Now he’s “done.” Apparently it is too scary for him to be on this site engaged in any banter that does not comport with his political version of the good ol’ USS of A. Apparently someone on here has threatened Mr. McAfee’s “core identity.”

      Go find you a “Safe Space” out there on some university campus there in California, Markie boy. I know they are all over your state. Probably lots of “Safe Spaces” in Hollywood, too. Get you a cup of hot chocolate, put on an old 33 LP of the Seekers singing “Kumbaya” and find a puppy to pet. I know you will feel better after that. Maybe things won’t be so scary after that.

      Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya
      Kumbay my Lord, Kumbaya . . .

  • Mark Mcafee Mark Mcafee

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-supporters-dunning-kruger-effect-213904

    Please read and become enlightened by truth and knowledge. More importantly, travel and get to now other people around the world and learn to love and respect them. Be critical and measure facts. Be mentally healthy.

  • I’m pleased to see the reactions to David’s Nazi paranoia, since I’m one to the sixty-plus million Americans who went for the Trump alternative to corruption and socialism. But I’m writing for the first time in a long time to try a change of subject to, would you believe, raw milk! I doubt that you folks will change any minds with your political debate. Maybe I can change a few about milk.
    I wrote a book in 2003 called The Untold Story of Milk. I’ve been an advocate for raw milk, and we had a couple of Jersey cows for years. But over time, I’ve come to realize that the only raw milk that is actually good for me, and the only milk I want to use and recommend for others, is that which comes from cows that are eating only grass. And even with that my wife and I use only the cream that comes to the top. We use lots of raw butter, and some raw milk cheeses, that come from strictly grass-fed cows.
    That’s it for consumption of milk products for me. I got unpleasant symptoms consuming dairy from any source other than strictly grass-fed animals. If you’ve read my book, you know that I showed why grass-fed is best. The difference now is that i believe we’re better off with no milk than milk products, raw or otherwise, from grain-fed animals.
    The good news is that now, when California secedes, besides getting rid of the jerks in Hollywood, America will be rid of the boatloads of inferior raw milk Organic Pastures produces.

    • Blesse\'d are the cheese makers

      Hey, Ron —

      Thanks for the laugh. I spewed coffee all over my screen when I read your comment.

      Regarding grass-fed cows, I agree. Best way to go since cows are really not genetically designed to eat large amounts of corn.

      Best regards,

      A Patriot NOT from California

      BTW — What is the “Alt-Right”?

    • Gordon Watson

      I’m sorry to see Mark McAffee bail out. As old Harry Truman famously put it : “if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.” Ironic = because, only a few months ago, he posted that he ‘never talks politics’ … then drove the thread off into the weeds of animosity. Kind of humorous to watch him come un-glued … while nothing much has actually happened. The ‘checks and balances’ inherent in the Constitution of the US of A are a lot more powerful than any one man. Handy example being : The National Recovery Act = communism writ large = ruled un-constitutional by the Supreme Court.

      one of the best things that has happened already, is ; Donald Trump’s declaration that he certainly will undo the so-called “Treaties” to do with Global Warming. You want to see what an authoritarian looks like in action? The Paris agreement and all the rest were signed by Barry Suetoro aka O’Bama, as executive Orders, NOT by the Will of the People. So Canada is left “sucking air” … with idiots in high places (here) now scrambling to impose their silly little ‘carbon tax’ as a way to fund the empire built on the absurdity of “man-made global warming’

      I do agree with Mark McAffee re : ‘David = you blog has been taken over by the alt-right” … during the US election, I’ve seen my long-time theme borne-out = just as the white vote’ was pivotal for sending the Clinton gang, packing, the Campaign for REAL MILK is driven by white folks re-discovering our heritage. overwhelmingly, those who post on this forum come off as fiscal as well as moral conservatives. Confer with “When the Saxon Awakens” by Rudyard Kipling. As Jimmy Durante used to say “you ain’t seen nothin’ yet, folks!!”

      • Emma Gardner

        I’m also sorry to see Mark leave, especially as I was hoping that he would respond to my question in a common on the previous post about testing for campy and e.coli.

        If we want a public forum dedicated solely to raw milk issues, without mention of political party politics, politicians, elections, other socio-political movements (alt.right, feminism, socialism, fascism, etc.), cod liver oil, or other matters, I’d be happy to set one up. I just don’t have time to be a moderator.

    • David Gumpert David Gumpert

      You were part of a minority in Connecticut, Ron–Trump only got 41% of the vote. There’s talk of secession around the Northeast as well–apparently a noisy movement has launched in New Hampshire. My question to you: What do you do if Connecticut secedes? Go to California?

    • David Gumpert David Gumpert

      Ron, I think it’s no longer “paranoia” if you find people really are after you. Can’t help but get a tad uncomfortable when a white supremacist is named national security adviser, and a racist senator is named Attorney General. It’s worth noting that America has flirted with fascism before, back in the 1930s. A number of prominent Americans, like Charles Lindbergh and Joseph P. Kennedy (father of President John Kennedy) admired Hitler, and pushed for the U.S. to work with him. A top selling book since the election is a 1935 Sinclair Lewis novel, “It Can’t Happen Here,” about what happens when a Trump-like character becomes President.
      https://www.mprnews.org/story/2016/11/23/books-sinclair-lewis-bestseller-after-election

      • Pete

        Cult of personality. Authoritarian. Free pass on food. For a moment there I thought you were talking about the Obama administration.

        I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

        Are they really after you David? Because you’re Jewish? I guess you’ll know you’re in danger when Jared Kushner and his children are sent off to the ovens.

        Until then I await the next stage of grief.

        • David Gumpert David Gumpert

          Good questions, Pete. You know, in Europe, Jews were, until about 60 years ago, the scapegoats du jour, not only in Germany, but in Poland, Russia, Spain, and other countries. The U.S. has been different, partly because it’s been more diverse than Europe. We’ve targeted Native Americans, blacks, Japanese (who were interned during WWII) most aggressively. So Jews have been spared a good deal of the scapegoating, or at least shared it among other groups.

          So in answer to your Qs, I don’t fear that the Trumpsters will come after me, per se, or other Jews. He said during the campaign that his primary targets were Muslims and Hispanics, primarily Mexicans. I take him at his word. So when I say I am paranoid, my main fear is for those minorities….though there is certainly nothing that says Trump and his minions can’t switch scapegoats. Especially when those jobs that have disappeared overseas don’t reappear, well, that’s when the scapegoating could set in big time.

          Now, Trump seems to be suggesting in his post-election interviews some moderating of his views, like on climate change and on going after Hillary and on how extensive his roundup of Hispanics is going to be.
          http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/us/politics/donald-trump-visit.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=0

          Of course, the risk in shifting his views is that he pisses off those who voted him in.

          All I can add is that if you thought the Obama administration was authoritarian or promoted cult of personality, you ain’t seen nothing.

          • Blesse\'d are the cheese makers

            Mr. Gumpert —

            At the risk of being a Don Quixote, shaking his sword defiantly at a windmill, I think we need to tone this down, don’t you think?

            Please, Mr. Gumpert, please advance all the facts, not convenient omissions — no “Fake News” please. Case in point. On the immigration issue, Mr. Trump’s primary “targets” have been ILLEGAL, that’s right, ILLEGAL immigrants, Muslim and Hispanics and others.

            We have immigration laws in place that have been totally ignored for years by the current administration. However, foreign born persons in this country who are here legally have NEVER BEEN on Trump’s radar. By the way, there is a legal way for an immigrant to be here, contrary to popular belief. Sometimes little adjectives like “legal” and “illegal” make 180 degrees of difference. There has also been a legal “path” to citizenship in place since this country was first founded. Trump has never decried that.

            Please go out there and find me one quote from Donald Trump’s mouth where he stated that ALL immigrants who are in this country should be deported. Just one . . .

            This is unbelievable to me. We conservatives have had to endure eight long seemingly never ending years of the Obama administration, where our president thumbed his nose at immigration laws, turned back the race clock to the pre-60’s era, wrote with his “pen and his phone” more executive orders than all the other presidents combined, stripped away one liberty after another, grew our government to gargantuan proportions, ran up our national debt from $7 trillion (when he took office) to $20 trillion, allowed his wife and her entourage to run up triple digit millions of tax payer dollars on boondoggles and vacations, and, before Trump even gets sworn into office, the liberals are all running around here like chickens with their heads cut off gnashing their teeth and wringing their collective hands.

            By the way, why is this country as divided as it is right now if our current Democrat leadership has been doing such a great job all this time?

            Maybe we need to take a break and get back to milk.

          • David Gumpert David Gumpert

            Cheese maker, I agree with you about getting back to milk. So maybe think about this: that the immigration issue didn’t begin 8 years ago, it’s been going on since the 1950s, when Eisenhower rounded up 1.5 million “Wetbacks” to ship back to Mexico, which, of course, didn’t solve anything. So-called illegal immigrants have been tolerated, even encouraged, to varying degrees over the years because they provide essential labor, for jobs that Americans refuse to take because they are too menial, dirty, low paying, or whatever. In my visits to dairies of all types, I’ve seen lots of Mexicans and other immigrants doing the milking and related jobs. I’ve not quizzed them or their employers about whether they were here legally because, well, you don’t want to put people on the spot about something that could affect whether they get deported.

            We need to get past this idea that somehow all illegal immigrants are conniving individuals trying to skirt the law, and that the liberals have encouraged them to come here to shower them with our great social and educational benefits. What happens when Trump tries his hand at sending back all the “illegals”? You may want to take a look at a very good movie produced a few years ago about this very topic: “A Day Without a Mexican”, about how the economy falls apart one day when all the Mexicans disappear. The trailer here will tell you much of what you need to know.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYJcfhxMkrQ

            I definitely agree with you that the country is terribly divided. Not sure we can ascribe blame to a particular individual or party, though. A little more complicated than that, but the biggest issue is probably jobs, or the lack of good paying ones.

          • Ella

            Blesse\’d – you are so right. Thank you for wording our situation so clearly and concisely.

      • Gordon Watson

        “if people really are after you” ” …you say? hours ago, Mr Gumpert, you mentioned the website “Politico”, presenting it as reliably objective. Today, its national editor resigned after being caught advocating that people go call on someone with whose political opinion they disagreed. Suggesting they ‘take along a few baseball bats.’ What would happen to the subject of such the proposed attack, alt-right icon Richard Spencer, had he insinuated the converse = encouraging thugs to call on the home of Politico’s FORMER editor, namely Michael Hirsch, to intimidate him for the sake of his political expression? The question answers itself ; no doubt the NY Times would headline its story “Trump Brownshirts”. But do we see any criminal charges? Hardly.

    • Pete

      Ron,

      Have you consumed milk from cows fed silage or non-corn hayladge?

      How did it agree with you?

  • Mark Mcafee Mark Mcafee

    Dr. Ron Schmidt,

    Please come and attend our grand opening of our new milk barn and stay over night with us at our camping with the cows event in May 2017. Our cows graze on green grass pastures ever day of the year “not just seasonally”.

    When you visited Organic Pastures and interviewed me for your wonderful book back in 2003, you had a great opinion of our products. We now Test & Hold them for 10 hours to assure there compliance with standards and safety!

    I am saddened that your opinions have morphed over the years. For the life of me….I do not know what is inferior about raw milk that is grass grazed, local, legal, state inspected, family owned, consumer toured, RAWMI Listed, tested, and delivered by the farmer in his own trucks….

    This all sounds political. When you call Obama a socialist and corrupt….that says a lot about your own politics and mindset. To support Trump is really sad….and extremely telling. His words are deeply meaningless and conflicted.

    Please come see us the next time to you come to our brand new country….California. And see for yourself

    • Blesse\'d are the cheese makers

      MM —

      I thought you were “done.”

      Calling Obama “socialist and corrupt” has nothing to do with someone’s own politics and/or mindset. As I have stated before, go read Saul Alinsky’s book, “Rules for Radicals.” Go research the Cloward-Piven strategy. Both Alinsky and Cloward-Piven comprise much of Obama’s world view and approach to politics — not mine or anyone elses — HIS. Obama is a self-avowed socialist community organizer. What does it take for you to understand this? Take a look at Obama’s father’s essay entitled, “Problems Facing Our Socialism.” Obama was heavily influenced by his father. Take a look at Obama’s first book, “Dreams From My Father.” Take a look at Obama’s “social” policies he has advocated the last eight years he has been in office. Did Obi-Wan Kenobi wave his hand over your eyes and tell you, “Nothing to see here”?

      You may continue to live in your little “bubble,” but Obama is the epitome of corrupt and the poster child for — Socialist. (Is that redundant?)

  • Ingvar Ingvar

    I saw that SNL Bubble Skit. The lady that drank the “raw milk” clearly winced as she drank it. What’s with that? Is it being portrayed as horrible tasting, but drink it anyway, “they” say it’s good for you?

    Happy Thanksgiving to one and all.

  • Mark Mcafee Mark Mcafee

    Those that live in socialist glass houses should not throw stones at social policies. The Midwest rust belt is populated by farmers that beg for government farm subsidity payments. I know this because as a member of the NFU and a representative and delegate from CA, I have heard and seen the extremely conservative North Dakota and Texas and all of the midwestern states delegations do every thing they can to get huge unearned hand outs for farmers in the farm bill. Hand outs and subsidities are socalled socialist policies. These are the same people that elected Trump.

    As far as what I believe here it goes:

    I believe in market driven solutions including farmers control of supply so that prices go up when farmers control that supply. This costs zero to the tax payers and nothing to the government.

    I believe in fair trade that protects American farmers from unfair economic competition from countries that do not share our own regulations and or cost of production.

    I believe in the right to own guns and even a national federal concealed weapons policy, but only for the well trained and those with back ground checks and no criminal record with good moral character. Crazy people with guns is crazy policy.

    I believe in a woman’s right to control her own body. But have a very hard time with late term abortions when a mother is not in serious medical jeapordy.

    I believe in humanity….I do not believe in selfish greed as the foundation of our country. I believe in capitalism but with ethical and moral safety nets with responsibility for one another.

    I believe in higher education for all that want it. If we intend to compete in the world along with northern EU, Russia and even China, higher education and technical professional careers are critical.

    I believe that if we do not prevent changes to our climate….then our little god given space ship called earth will cease to exist as we know it…..and our grandchildren will all suffer and perhaps perish as we ignorantly exploit the easy energy and refuse to think forward and see the signs.

    As a retired member of the medical community, I deeply believe that medical care is a human right and should not be profit driven. It should and must become a single payer system with prevention at its core. A profit driven medical system will unconsciously encourage illness because illness drives more profit. If medicine is a universal cost to all citizens, then policies that encourage health and prevention will be encouraged.

    I believe in the farmer to consumer relationship and building the immune system to prevent illness.

    I believe in the freedom to opt out of mandatory vaccinations and encourage only the basic vaccinations and only if spread out over time. Just like Denmark and other advanced countries.

    I believe in the right of two humans to love one another regardless of their sexual orientation.

    I believe in the best of America. I deeply believe that Donald Trump represents the very worst of America. His words, his acts, his policies are racist, nationalist, isolationist, ignorant and will destroy our international markets and increase national debt.

    I believe that Obama tried his human best to serve America even when he was and still is obstructed by racist bigots. He served America and led it out of the darkest days in 75 years. Those dark days brought to us by the policies of a trigger happy republican.

    Now Don Trump is refusing to even receive daily intelligence briefings. Yes…that us right….he does not want to hear about threats or the most recent work done to collect data in order to protect our country. He tells the briefers that he does not want to have intel briefings!!!! This is not only dumb…it is a complete neglect of duty to the office and the American people.

    It is my deepest hope that he is removed from office immediately if he is inaugurated or even earlier.

    Hillary received more than 2 million more votes by we the people. The electoral college was something given to the south when the south protested being un represented in their quest to keep slaves.

    I am deeply saddened that somehow, the voices of raw milk that are posting here….are so Alt Right leaning and outright blind to what is happening.

    I will continue to love all and serve all regardless of the stones that come flying, because it is critical that a voice of reason and a voice for humanity stays in this conversation and this fight.

    The most advanced cultures on earth have broad strong socialist policies…these policies demonstrate the care and concern for all humanity. Call me what ever you want…I am dedicated to a better earth for the long term future. I am the resistance to darkeness that you seem to hate so much and will do everything I can to bring health, good and light to our earth.

    I wish everyone a good thanks giving. A thanks giving that actually gives thanks though human acts of kindness and goodness. I beg each of you to please think of humanity not just yourselves. Because it is humanity that creates a world worth living on.

    With warmth and humanity,

    Mark

    • Blesse\'d are the Cheese Makers

      More on the Electoral College —

      The Constitution of the United States of America was signed by a Convention of Delegates on September 17, 1787. This newly formed government, by virtue of its newly written Constitution, still required that this newly written Constitution be circulated to the 13 colonies (at that time) for ratification. Nine of the 13 states were required to ratify this new Constitution to make it a binding document on the country. Ratification officially occurred when New Hampshire, the ninth state to ratify the Constitution, ratified the US Constitution on June 21, 1788.

      In order to get ratification, the first ten amendments, what we call the “Bill of Rights”, had to be added to the original version before ratification could be accomplished. The framers of our Constitution wanted to make sure that power was effectively diffused from central control and retained by “We the People” and by the individual states (see Amendments IX and X).

      Whatever the case, Article II, Section 1, of the original US Constitution, that was signed, as I stated above, on September 17, 1787, lays out the parameters of the Electoral College. The Electoral College concept came from ancient Roman beginnings, of which our forefathers had studied extensively and about which they were very well read on the classics, Cicero, for instance, was scrutinized and studied by Thomas Jefferson as well as by other members of the Constitutional Convention.

      Mr. McAfee, rather than deal with each one of your leftist progressive “beliefs” you lay out for us, which you are certainly entitled to your “beliefs, ” I will only call you out on one of your assertions — i.e., that “the electoral college was something that was given to the south when the south protested being un represented in their quest to keep slaves.”

      Nothing could be further from the truth or more historically inaccurate than the preceding statement you made in your post, above, regarding the Electoral College. I can only assume that Common Core had already infiltrated the California public school system when you were in school.

      I have laid out the origin of the Electoral College for your review, supra. The Electoral College had NOTHING TO DO WITH SLAVERY — NADA.

      Perhaps you are thinking of the Missouri Compromise, which was signed into law in 1820. Whatever the case, I urge you to go take a look at our US Constitution. Read Article II, Section 1 of that document. Read the history behind the Electoral College. Read the Federalist and the Anti-Federalist Papers. Educate thyself, sir, please. Your blind and unfounded assertion is how “Fake News” happens.

      In the meantime, get over it. Trump won the election and it is time for us to move forward. I am really getting sick and tired of you whiny infants flailing your arms and stomping your feet because you didn’t get your way.

      It’s done. Move on.

      I apologize, Mr. Gumpert. I couldn’t help myself . . .

    • Ken Conrad Ken Conrad

      Mark,
      I’m all in favor of social justice, but not “social policies” administered with an iron fist.

      If you want market driven solutions, then governments (yours and mine included) need to abandon their cheep food policies that favor large, specialized, and intensive agricultural practices.

      Protectionist trade policies may very well be justified at times. However, I can guarantee you that someone out there will suffer for the sake of such policies, especially when those policies are geared towards large-scale industrial agriculture at the expense of the small family farm.

      As far as abortion is concerned it is a tossup between a woman’s right to choose and how much emphasis we place on the life of an unborn child. Our countries, especially in Canada with its publically funded health care system, are using taxpayer’s dollars to fund abortion. Now although I believe in a woman’s fundamental right to choose despite my fundamental disagreement with that choice… I am however, very much apposed to using taxpayer’s dollars to fund abortions apart from when the mother’s life is in danger. In many countries today, abortions are done at the drop of the hat with some countries adopting policies that encouraging gender specific and Mongoliod abortions, this in my view is unconscionable and a reflection of people’s depraved indifference to human life. I suppose that is what we get when believe we are a product of a mindless universe.
      I’m curious how do you reconcile your “belief in humanity” and your “disbelief in selfish greed” with a woman’s right to abort an unborn child/person/Human being?

      This “little space ship called earth” has been dealing with climate change ever since its inception I am confident in its ability to continue to do so. I believe human beings have an obligation to clean up their act. I do not believe that human activity is primarily responsible for todays climate change. It appears that the shift in the earth’s poles that result in changes in gravitational forces due to the cyclical alignment of the planets is largely responsible for current temperature aberrations. These forces have a direct effect on the sun, causing physical distortions that increase solar activity. This would explain why according to a 2005 National Geographic article which states that, “Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures”. Indeed, despite the lack of human activity and carbon emissions. The article goes on to state, Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of space research at St. Petersburg’s Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun… Abdussamatov believes that changes in the sun’s heat output can account for almost all the climate changes we see on both planets”.

  • Gary Ogden

    Haven’t visited for a few days. Wow. Lots of weird stuff going on here. Good to hear from you again, Dr. Ron, though your comment, like several here, left me scratching my head. I, too, voted for Trump (the first time I’ve ever voted for a Republican for president), not because I’m a fan, although he’s right about a lot of things, but because the alternative was worse. Hillary is not only deeply corrupt, but incompetent as well (Libya, Syria, etc.). The only issue which mattered to me in this election was medical fascism. Trump was the only candidate who publicly acknowledged that vaccines cause autism. The DHHS “Healthy People 2020” is a plan for cradle-to-grave mandatory vaccination, and Hillary would have greased the skids. She is the reason that (according to the FDA website) 80% of pharmaceuticals sold here are made in China. 4,000 factories, thirteen inspectors. The Chinese FDA recently reported that 80% of the clinical trial data they receive is fraudulent. Anyone out there taking prescription drugs? I don’t and wouldn’t. David, it is incredibly naive to trust the New York Times, or any of the mainstream media. Fake news? A partial list: WMD in Iraq. The Warren Commission Report. The 9/11 Report. The Gulf of Tonkin Incident. “The light at the end of the tunnel.” Just the obvious ones. It is, as well, the framing of the stories, and the multitude of topics that are internally censored (no questioning of vaccine policy allowed, ever). 90% of our media is owned by just 6 companies. They are bleeding red ink like a sieve, so they pay obeisance on a daily basis to the corporate sponsors who keep them afloat. They painted a thoroughly distorted picture of both Hillary and Trump, with most of them shilling for Hillary and making Trump appear to be an authoritarian, bigoted womanizer. Where was the outcry about the organized criminal enterprise called the Clinton Foundation? You are right, David, to be concerned with his authoritarian tendencies. However, both Hillary and Obama are authoritarians, just in a more hidden way. Obama claimed, at the outset, that his would be the most transparent administration in history, but he turned into the most secretive, and the most vicious prosecutor of whistleblowers, in recent memory. Trump will no doubt screw a lot of things up, and the vile corruption in the halls of Congress will go on, but I don’t regret voting for him. The Clintons and the Bushes are finished, and this is good news for the nation. Dr. Ron: It is the butter and the cream I most highly value, too. I make the milk into kefir; I don’t drink uncultured, liquid milk.

  • Mark Mcafee Mark Mcafee

    Dr. Joe,

    Thanks for sharing the Edwin Shank link. As a fellow RAWMI Listed raw dairyman, I now exactly how Edwin feels. We thrive and live solely because of the care and support of our dear consumers and that is it!!! We both truly thank our customers and their words of support and “word of mouth” marketing they give to us to encourage others to trust and support us as well.

    Raw milk has put the culture back into our agriculture. Edwin is truly one of the finest humans I have ever met. I really mean that. His consumers are truly fortunate !

  • Mark Mcafee Mark Mcafee

    http://time.com/4558510/electoral-college-history-slavery/

    The Electoral College….Yes…it was driven by slavery. It is also driven by a by gone day and the lack of communications and ability to vote and collect ballots. Time to have one vote be cast by each citizen for our president.

    • Ken Conrad Ken Conrad

      The electoral colledge was put into place to give minority groups in rural outlying areas have an equal say in decideing who will lead their country. In canada the parlimentary system is governed in much the same way. It is not uncommon for a Canadian Pime Munister to not win the popular vote.

    • Ken Conrad Ken Conrad

      Corrected version

      The electoral college was put into place to give minority groups in rural outlying areas have an equal say in deciding who will lead their country. In Canada the parliamentary system is governed in much the same way. It is not uncommon for a Canadian Prime Minister to not win the popular vote.

    • Blesse\'d are the Cheese Makers

      –I realize I am totally wasting my time with this, but here goes . . .

      Prove it, McAfee- No blind assertions. Prove it.

      Please don’t cite to a Time Magazine article or all the other propaganda-laden articles from the liberal far left (Alt-Left) media parakeets that have just popped up during the last two-three weeks advancing this anti-Electoral Colleg lie because Broom Hillary lost. Time Magazine is no reliable source for your anti-Electoral College rant. BTW, it appears this little choir of anti-Electoral College parakeets originated this go-round at VOX. Now there’s a reliable unbiased resource for ya . . .

      I mean, you do realize that six entities control 90 percent of the mainstream media, right? The mainstream wanted Hillary. When this did not happen, they are now going to do everything in their power to sabotage Trump. Like a good little follower of the Pied Piper, you’ve jumped right into the conga line with the rest of the zombie liberals.

      Trump has not even taken his oath of office and you are spewing ill will against him. Boy, that’s sure a kind, loving, tolerant all inclusive attitude you Libs love to talk about.

      Have you spent one minute doing some independent research on this Electoral College issue? Answer: No, of course not. You do not want to know the truth because it would upset your little bubble in which you reside.

      Wait. I get it. You live in California and all your customers are obviously in California. You have to come out here and say what you are saying to pander to your liberal customer base. Is that it?

      Rush is correct when he said recently that the average, ordinary everyday liberal or Democrat is now genuinely mentally ill thanks to our hysterical fear-mongering media. I quote Rush here — “They’re sick folks, they have literally been rendered sick . . .”

      Back to the Electoral College — Either come back and give us a well-reasoned treatise with citations that supports your unsupportable assertion, or, STFU.

    • Gordon Watson

      telling, is it not? … that the com-symps made not a peep about changing the fundamental structure of the Republic, i.e. the Electoral College, ’til after they didn’t get what they wanted in the recent election. You prefer a system of invisible so-called “ballots”, which has been proven to be manipulable? Do you mean you want one vote to be cast by each CITIZEN? Or are you content to have 3 million illegal aliens in California, participate in the process, too?

      In the body, every minute, the immune system decides what is “self” versus “not self”. On November 8 2016, White Christian America rejected the candidate who advocated for ‘open borders’, which – undeniably – has overwhelmed the country with “other-than-ourself”. Donald Trump listened to people who were saying “I feel like it’s not my country any more”. Hillary and her crowd deplored their authenticate concern. The candidate who promised to revitalize the national immune system = properly controlled immigration = prevailed. But now the bed-wetting-types are out in the streets, literally rioting. Patrick Henry said “my country right or wrong. And when she’s wrong, my duty to set her right”. Donald Trump has done so … the illegal aliens = lawbreakers = are already heading back where they came from.

      Vancouver BC is now half Chinese by federal census. That invasion happened in 3 decades, while race traitors in high places criminalized expressions of opposition to a policy which was never condoned by the electorate. Last month, the flag of Red China was raised over Vancouver City hall. Since you’re so energetic about politics, after declaring that you DON’T talk politics! … Perhaps you will level with us, Mr McAffee : is what you really want, for California to return to being part of Mexico, based on the claim of La Raza > in Spanish = “the race” ?

    • Jan

      To the contrary, here is an article by the Washington Post that says that the electoral college has nothing to do with slavery.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/15/in-defense-of-the-electoral-college/?utm_term=.d2271ebd18d2

      • Lynn_M Lynn_M

        Some of the commenters to that Washington Post article explain how the electoral college was driven by slavery. There are many comments there in general about the electoral college, but I found them worth reading.

  • Blesse\'d are the Cheese Makers

    Before November 8, 2016 —

    ” . . . The peaceful transition of power is one of the things that sets us apart. It’s how we hold our country together no matter who’s in charge . . . ” Hillary Rodham Clinton, Campaign speech, 10-21-16

    ” . . . Donald Trump refused to say that he’d respect the results of this election. That’s a direct threat to our democracy . . . ” Hillary Rodham Clinton, Facebook post, 10-24-16

    “In a remarkable statement that seemed to cast doubt on American democracy, Donald J. Trump said Wednesday that he might not accept the results of next month’s election if he felt it was rigged against him — a stand that Hillary Clinton blasted as “horrifying” at their final and caustic debate on Wednesday.” — NY Times, 10-19-16

    After November 8, 2016 —

    “Butt-Hurt Losers Demand Recount” Paul Joseph Watson, Infowars

    “Is Slavery the Real Reason for the Electoral College.” CNN

    “It is my deepest hope that he (Trump) is removed from office immediately if he is inaugurated or even earlier.” M McAfee

    ” . . . IF he is inaugurated or even earlier . . . ” WTF does that mean? You got some plans we need to know about Mr. M?

  • mark mcafee mark mcafee

    I proudly use my name when I stand in protest…..

    Blessed Cheese Maker. What is your name and who are you? I would prefer to speak to a real person not some rust belt phantom flying around in the Midwest.

    I challenge you to stand up and present yourself.

    • Gordon S Watson

      good point, Mark. …. apply the same standard to the professional agitators wearing masks while blocking freeways / trashing private property / setting fire to cop cars .. et cetera. Have we seen the leaders of the Democratic Party decrying what amounts to co-ordinated insurrection? The masked communist street thugs want trouble. Wearing a mask in the commission of a crime, is another offence. Indeed we do live in a police state, particularly, since the Event of 9-11. …. don’t come crying to me, when Homeland Security treats masked bandits as the felons which they are. I go back so far I remember what happened at Kent State. Then, those on the front lines were a lot more civilized than the barbarians on display on the nightly news, since Nov 8th.

  • Blesse\'d are the Cheese Makers

    Who am I? Who am I?

    I am the Voice of Reason. I am John Galt. I am Everyman.
    I was at Runnymede in the summer of 1215.
    I was in Philadelphia on July 4, 1776.
    I was at the polls on November 8, 2016.

    I am the one in Plato’s cave
    Who shines Reality onto the shadows made by the puppeteers.

    I am a Patriot, a Scholar — a Seeker and Seer of Truth.
    I am Cicero — the Rule of Law, the Magna Charta, Liberty and Freedom.

    I am because I think and I think because I have cast aside the veil.

    The question, Sir, is not about whom I am or what name you might call me.
    The question you must answer, Sir, is, Who are you?

    ” . . . never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.” (Donne, J)

  • Mark Mcafee Mark Mcafee

    John Galt…..who ever you are.
    You and Trump are perfect for each other.
    I wish you both the best.

  • Mark Mcafee Mark Mcafee

    Politics in the “post-truth era”.

    http://www.newsday.com/opinion/columnists/michael-dobie/fighting-back-against-fake-news-in-the-era-of-post-truth-1.12667886

    When kids in Macedonia create hundreds of websites ( that make them money ) that create completely false and fake news….yet Americans read it and believe it and then Vote it!!!

    Perhaps the Russians are smarter and more Shrewd than we are…perhaps the Cold War just now ended and no nukes were fired, and the Russians won! Their deep mole is about to become our president and Putin is his Best Buddy.

    Not so far from the truth. Excuse me,…what truth, the truth is no longer relevant. Emotions run the citizens and words are no longer important at all. Who cares that Trump begged the Russians to hack the democrats emails and bias the elections. Then…the Russians did exactly what Trump asked!!!!

    Such a clear contradiction in human policy. Obama opened trade with Cuba and begins to moderate the Castro regime….Fidel dies and Trump says he will reinstate the trade sanctions against Cuba.

    Trump is dangerous…..a loose cannon, a bigot, an egomaniac, a racist, a sexist, and ignorant…..completely ignorant. He is the anti Christ.

    • Gordon Watson

      ” Trump is the anti Christ” ? wow, that even tops reductio ad Hitleram. Apparently you’ve left off ranting about politics, and you’re now off into the realm of religion?!
      Mark … get it ALL out! I’m going to compile all your posts from the start of the run-up to the election, ’til PRESIDENT TRUMP leaves office in 2025. Starting with the one where you pronounced that you ‘ never talk politics nor religion’. It will be wonderful material for somebody’s Master’s Thesis entitled : ‘the 5 stages of political grievance’. Right now = you’re stuck in the “anger” phase. The good news, is : you don’t have to let your emotions rule you. As Deepak Chopra says “let it go-ooo, man. Let it go-ooo”

  • Ken Conrad Ken Conrad

    Kristian Saucier, a young machinist who served aboard the USS Alexandra is not lucky enough to be a member of the political elite.

    http://www.therebel.media/security_breach_double_standard_slippery_hillary_gets_off_scot_free_while_us_navy_sailor_goes_to_jail

  • David Gumpert David Gumpert

    Big win today for Michael Schmidt and Montana Jones in the “sheep-napping” case that launched in 2012. Ontario judge ruled excessive delays by the government, and dismissed the case. Good followup in The Bovine:

    https://thebovine.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/sheep-napping-case-dismissed-today-due-to-excessive-delay-getting-to-trial/

    • bora petski

      Excellent results thank God or your mother, not that they delayed the proceedings. Bahhhhhh

    • Mr. J. Ingvar Odegaard Mr. J. Ingvar Odegaard

      Speaking of things gone by…is Morningland Dairy of Missouri, able to come back to the raw dairy products business? Governor Jay Nixon has termed out and the Governor-elect is “author and former U.S. Navy SEAL Eric Greitens.” David, maybe you can send the incoming Governor a complimentary copy of your book.

      • David Gumpert David Gumpert

        I don’t think so. I met Denise Dixon, an owner, about a year ago at a conference, and she said she was still trying to put the family’s life together after the cheese-making operation was destroyed in the wake of state and federal enforcement actions. She seemed to have little appetite for re-starting a raw-dairy business.

        • Mr. J. Ingvar Odegaard Mr. J. Ingvar Odegaard

          Thanks David. I will say that that is a shame. An absolute shame. On Missouri. The story should be maintained, in detail, for posterity’s sake. THEIR record was exemplary and the fruit of Governor Jay Nixon’s Milk Board’s pummeling of a sound, viable, local business, is of what value?

    • Ken Conrad Ken Conrad

      “Government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.” … and ours is HUGE with what it certainly believes to be a limitless amount of money!

      http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/shepherd-wins-six-year-legal-fight-to-keep-flock-of-rare-sheep-from-government-slaughter

      Indeed, and if those who run government, along with their “limitless amount of money”, are not held accountable for their actions, then one can prepare themselves for more of the same. In this particular case these overbearing, conniving, bureaucratic enforcers/goons need to be publically reprimanded for their unscrupulous tactics and made to pay restitution to the defendants.

  • mark mcafee mark mcafee

    Gordon,

    Just let me have my liberal therapy moment.
    I need time to cuss and scream to get it all out.

    I am almost there….but every time I think I have recovered, Trump does something more that shocks my consciousness, and I need to cuss and scream some more. He is not my president at all. He has none of the ethics, smarts, or morals or anything else that I want and the world needs for President of the USA.

  • Robin

    Considering that there are pictures of Trump eating Kentucky Fried Chicken and fried taco bowls, I doubt he is all that much into health food. First you would have to show him how raw milk would be profitable for businesses like his. Honestly, I don’t think you can.

    It’s a shame how many people can’t tell the difference between reality and their fantasies.

    • bora petski

      Having Kentucky Fried once or twice a year ain’t that bad for you, eating there 5-6 times a week definitely is. Never forget that fantasies are the stuff of dreams that come true.

      Just mho

  • blesse\'d are the cheese makers

    “Bigot” defined —

    A person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred or intolerance.”
    (Merriam-Webster)

    Based on a clear reading of this definition, one who calls someone else a “bigot” . . . just might be . . . you guessed it — a “bigot.”

    Anyway, I submit that the leftist liberals out here who are intent on spewing out the current lefty buzzwords at conservatives might consider finding a better way to argue your position rather than calling those you disagree with a litany of names. I don’t know whether you’ve noticed this or not, but this approach ain’t workin’ for ya . . .

    Those of us with a brain are sick and tired of your labeling mantra and it means nothing anymore.

    There are adult English classes available to help you with your vocabulary and written communication skills and there are 12-step groups available to help you with your anger and immaturity issues.

  • JoMo

    lol…This is funny. I live in West Palm Beach, and think i’m in the middle of most local milk discussions…. i’ve not heard of anything remotely about it. As well, When the islanders come looking for something, THEY don’t actually go, their employees do, and while I’ve seen a limo or two come a knocking… The chefs, or pantry pickers are tight lipped for who they are buying for, or why, and is something not pressed. I highly doubt someone uttered anything with non – disclosure agreements in these households…. and really who cares… not going to ruin a good thing when its a consistent customer. If he drinks it great…

  • eqogyh

    It occurred to me that she most likely did not hear me and believed that I could not help her. How lots of times does the word “you” appear in it? One can choose according to his requirement and adorn his set of wheels. learn more

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