As Amos Miller is about to watch USDA inspectors invade his farm, under a federal court order, it seems like a good time to re-visit how another farmer went through a similar crisis.
Beginning nearly a decade ago, the state of Wisconsin began an inspection campaign against dairy farmer Vernon Hershberger, which culminated in a criminal trial in May 2013. Following the trial, at which Hershberger was acquitted by a jury of the most serious charges, a group of his supporters decided to put together a documentary about the trial and the events leading up to it.
The group formed a nonprofit organization, known as AP76, of which I am a part, raised a small amount of funding, and completed a trailer designed to encourage further support to complete the film. The fund-raising for the film, tentatively entitled “An American Farmer on Trial”, has been slower to happen than Hershberger’s supporters would have liked.
We’ve not shown the trailer before, but now, as Amos Miller seems about to begin a journey similar to that of Hershberger, it seemed an appropriate time to make the trailer public.
This trailer is really more than your typical trailer. While a typical trailer is a couple minutes long, this one is six minutes in length. It includes gripping footage from a number of official inspections, along with several legal episodes, including one of the judge in the case admonishing lawyers to keep raw milk out of the the trial, and then reactions of several jurors to the judge’s order.
You’ll recognize a number of the individuals interviewed in the trailer, including Elizabeth Rich of the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund, Max Kane of FarmMatch, and of course, Vernon Hershberger. Among those you may not recognize are Wisconsin dairy lobbyist Shawn Pfaff and chief defense lawyer Glenn Reynolds. Some of you may recognize old friend and Wisconsin cheesemaker Bill Anderson.
You will also get a feel for the support behind Hershberger among the members of his food club. One of the things not as visible as it should be is the behind-the-scenes work of organizers like Liz Reitzig and Gayle Loiselle in making the public so aware of this case that when a roomful of jury candidates was asked how many had heard about Hershberger, nearly everyone’s hand went up.
One of the things that strikes me now about the trailer is how long and arduous the legal journey was. Hershberger’s trial lasted only five days, but the inspections and demonstrations and legal hearings stretched over several years.
If history repeats itself even roughly, then Amos Miller could be in just the initial phase of his legal journey when the government inspectors arrive at his Pennsylvania farm tomorrow (Monday).
further to the trials + tribulations of Amish Amos © : wondering how they can milk so many cows, to obtain all that milk, if they eschew electricity, I came upon a cute video of a man at an Amish sawmill. He quips “they won’t touch a chainsaw but they’ll let you do it for them.” They enjoy separation from the world and its blandishments, but – apparently – Miller’s kinsmen aren’t averse to their customers engaging in politics on his behalf.
… comes to mind the observation that : ” … the greatest part of the penalty is being ruled by a more wicked man, if he himself should not consent to rule.”
… and for those my critics /hard-of-thinking … rendered down, what I’m saying is : the Amish are willing to TAKE but not GIVE, They came to America for relief from persecution, but now that much the same Tyranny has over-run this land, they scuttle-on-home with profits obtained from “the English”, yet refuse to contend for what’s right i.e.. grow up to do their duty to participate in government.
Your comment is confusing, Mr. Watson. Please tell me more about, as you write, “those my critics /hard-of-thinking”? Perhaps that will help me to understand your point.
Perhaps they have the wisdom to realize that there is no valid government. If i state that YOU must give that homeless woman that $200 in your pocket – but you state it is earmarked to pay for food – and it is YOUR money to do what you choose to do – who is right? (i would of course agree it’s your money/your choice)
But – i collar another person outside the store and they agree, we grab another supporter who also thinks that YOU MUST GIVE THAT HOMELESS PERSON YOUR $200!!!! Do we now have that right?
No, of course not. Since NOBODY has the right to force you to give your earnings away for their purpose and choice – HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY HAND A RIGHT WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE, TO ANY GOVERNMENT???
It is NOT in their legitimate authority to force these decisions upon us. Withdrawing from that is all-right in my book – and he apparently did interface with the govt – wasn’t that him standing there with the woman telling what she stole for the state?? Yup. Sure was.
i’m not saying they can’t/shouldn’t do more – but withdrawing from an insane “society” has left them without ability to respond to an insanity they didn’t create, and they do not know how to deal with.
Rod Class had proven that there is no lawful govmint in America; thus, we are over run with white collar crimes. Obummer is not the pres. of America. He is the CEO of a private corporation called THE UNITED STATES. This is rampant RICO. Establish and assemble your local common law court of record and hold these clowns, the real criminals, accountable. If not, your children and grandchildren will forever remain slaves.
IOW you have some axe to grind about the Amish. Not impressed.
Who’s govermint? THE U.S. is a foreign, for profit CORPORATION! Look up the Act of 1871 USAvsUS.info
Yuck Gordon, sorry you got the first posting on this. Wondering if you enjoy friendships with any Amish? Doubtful you could write that in the context of a friendship. Amos bent over backwards to help me provide meals events for close to a decade.
Some could say it’s good business, others may say kindness, likely both. His customer service is over the top, as is the quality of his food. No cutting corners for Amos, and I can say the rest of the community too, as I’ve yet to have a negative customer experience over the 12 years I’ve been a customer of Amish and Mennonite in Pennsylvania, MissourI and Illinois. Ever.
Besises, this eems like a unkindly low blow at this time. Want a do over? Please focus our attention on the goodness of the man.We’d do the same for you if you were in trouble.
as usual, Cathy, you’ve evaded what I did say in order to focus on what I did NOT talk about. Time and again, I’ve said ( not having met the man in person) that I assume he is a good farmer. But David Gumpert’s blog is about the POLITICS of the Campaign for REAL MILK. In which controversy, the Amish do not participate. Meanwhile, here on this blog critics incessantly take Mark McAffee to task, sneering that he’s only an opportunist plumping for his commercial venture. Mr McAffee is on the ground, from coast to coast, doing every thing a politician does in the thick of the fray.
… my comments are not an “unkindly blow at this time” … they’re directly on-point of people soliciting sympathy and MONEY for the Amish. I resent emotional extortion on any issue. If they want our help now, in what is so-obviously a political campaign fomented by their business competitors, then where are the Amish to come alongside genuine Patriots on all the other political issues? Oh, that’s right …. they’re home and dry in their religious compound safespace, with the covers pulled over their collective, where the cares of this world don’t intrude.
… The Sword which Beareth Rule cuts both ways. If they want us to lend a hand, they can do their duty and and participate in government.
Cathy et cetera … please focus your attention on the crux of this forum ; the political wrangling to make REAL MILK available. AmishAmos’ food group consortium used their religious disguise, to operate under the official radar for years. They must have handled million$ of dollar$. They are under scrutiny now – armed agents of the state intruding on to private property traversed the continent [ NOT in horse-drawn buggies! ] to peddle their wares at the W. A. Price convention, contrary to that group’s policy. Defying the warning of wiser counsel, they ‘brought the heat down’ on themselves. Where I came in with criticism, was : o followers of Mr Miller soliciting sympathy and money to hire legal defence. And faulting the FtCLD fund.
… when they authorities lowered the boom on us, in BC. members of our cowshare ponied-up over $50,000 Cdn, over 3 years, to pay the lawyer. And that amount was raised in $5s and $20s, day by day. In politics and in the legal racket = you’ve got to pay to play’
… Since you’re on first-name basis with him, please fold-in to the discussion the receipts for the contributions Mr Miller / his business enterprise made over the years, to legal expenses for other raw milk farmers in trouble with the govt. And whilst you’re at it, let’s see copies of the membership contracts made on the spot, with people at the San Francisco convention, as they paid cash for products shipped 1000 miles.
… again = for the hard-of-thinking : my beef is with the hypocrisy of the Amish elders who want special treatment for demselves as an “expressive community”, then want to play in the deep end with the big kids, when it comes to profiting from the commercial system which their doctrine condemns as one of the fundamental of their faith.
It’s not a political issue, it’s a freedom and justice issue. Get back to your communities and build it strong instead of messing with politics, which is for FICTIONS, not people. Learn common law, law of the land, to protect yourself, your family, your communities.
Gordon, could you point us toward the places, or a single place, where supporters of Amos Miller are “soliciting…. MONEY for the Amish.” You keep saying that, yet it’s not happening. In fact, when another Amish farmer, Dan Allgyer, was being attacked by the FDA and the U.S. Justice Department a few years ago, he shuttered his farm rather than seek funds for legal representation. Aside from $$$, you mention “emotional extortion”–what the hell is that?
I wonder if you had a chance to take a look at the clip about Vernon Hershberger’s legal fight. You know, Vernon is from an Amish background–he left the Amish community, but remains close to his family in that community. In fact, the video clip shows Vernon’s Amish father testifying on Vernon’s behalf at his trial. Vernon faced possibly a couple years in jail, and I’m sure the judge would have enjoyed imposing that on him if the jury had decided differently. Hardly what you’d call “home and dry in their religious compound safespace…”
You are just so full of hate that you would sacrifice brave producers of healthy food because of religious, ethnic, and heritage differences. Pretty pathetic.
lacking a ‘search’ function, it’ll take me a while to locate the posts in which Miller supporters started bleating about raising $$ for his legal defence – finding a “pro bono lawyer”. Til then, suffice to say that I expect a literate man like yourself, Mr Gumpert, to be able to figure out the target of my hatred ; vis, NOT Amos Miller nor his kinfolk. Rather, the rank hypocrisy of the eldership who say one thing, then close their eyes to contradiction of their doctrine for the sake of ‘filthy lucre’ … which human being do, in all places at all times in history. And it always reeks. I guess I have to admit that my disgust arises from my experiences out on the public sidewalk 1/4 of a century ago, when we tried to reach the conscience of the nation on the abortion issue. The Amish folk – and all these instant armchair moralists / Johhny-come-latelys voicing outrage at the state tyrant – were conspicuous by their absence in those days.
…. a highly intelligent man like yourself knows better than to hurl the invective of “hate”, as a cheap trick for deflecting attention away from the logic of the essential point of this thread about Amos Miller : that being – his consortium brought this woe upon themselves because they got greedy.
… Amish people did well as long as they practiced being “in the world but not OF it”. You slang me but you refuse to address the fact that Miller & Co want all the benefits of a commercial enterprise yet figure they’re exempt from the concomitant regulatory scheme. You know what “emotional extortion” is, David Gumpert = Guilt-tripping readers of this forum as though we ought to sympathize with a him just because he supplies REAL MILK evading the key fact that he’s the proximate cause of his own misfortune. He didn’t heed ‘a word to the wise’, so don’t come crying to me, when the federales lay on their lash.
… does Amish Amos © believe in equal treatment under the Law, or not? Still waiting for for an URL at which I can view the membership contracts made with Mr Miller’s customers at the WAPrice ‘do’ in California.
No $ is required for justice, which can only be found in common law. There are no BAR liaryers involved in common law, including the guy in black dress.
well, fer starters Mr Gumpert, re-read yer blog post of April 22 2016 “Raid coming on Miller’s Farm” in which – in your own voice – you say
” … Some have already inquired with him, in light of the CDC report, how they can contribute to any legal defense he might require.
…
Miller’s supporters say they have begun collecting member testimonials about his farm’s food. If you have a testimonial, or simply want to extend your support, write to this special email address: writetomillers@gmail.com.
Please feel free to share this post, to update supporters of food freedom about this situation.
>>>> end of excerpt.
so there YOU are, providing a contact for people who want contribute to his legal defence fund. Surely that translates into money, does it not? Your problem being : the Amish are doctrinally-opposed to lawyering-up in the Courts of the World. Which is why Vernon Hershberger’s Dad came off so well. He relied on the Holy Spirit to give him utterance, rather than the members of the Cult of the Black Robe. I should qualify that by saying “some of my best friends are lawyers. It’s only the 98 % of them who are crooked, incompetent and/or outright criminals who give the rest a bad name”
I thought my post was pretty clear–some of Miller’s supporters were “inquiring” about raising legal defense funds. Actually raising legal funds is something supporters of a number of persecuted farmers, along with the farmers themselves, have taken on, including (non-Amish) Michael Schmidt. Miller’s “supporters” have been collecting testimonials, once again for potential legal support. Amos Miller hasn’t encouraged any of this. And BTW, the contact I provided was for the testimonials, not for financial support. There wasn’t even anyone to make a check out to (nor is there any such entity today). That doesn’t mean there won’t be a legal defense fund in the future, given the enormity of legal costs to defend yourself from a full-court government press.
Yes, the Amish very much dislike dealing with lawyers, or the courts in general. Indeed, that is part of what makes them such attractive targets to the regulators. Nothing a prosecutor likes more than going after a defendant who represents himself in court. Makes the work of prosecuting very simple and easy.
Does anyone like dealing with corrupt liaryers in court, where they make/break/bend the rules at whim??? You don’t win! Stay out of their jurisdiction. Get back to common law.
Just watched the trailer, and, oh my, my – raw emotions make the tears flow, even after all these years. It was a time of great angst . . . and then jubilation. I thank the Universe every day for the courage of Vernon and his family. And for being able to reap the benefits of their sacrifices. My heart aches for Amos and his family.
Just as Hillary gets a pass for killing ambassador Stevens and sloppy e mail practices The big food corporations have captured the courts and justice department and all the regulatory bodies. Our Government is more corrupt than any one can imagine. This all started with 9/11, 2001 and the destruction of the CIA and banking records. Now that it is “legal” to lie but “illegal” to impart true information that might offer a non pharma cure for diseases like diabetes or alzheimer’s disease it’s no holds barred to destroy family farms. This is just a test to see if the Amish can be killed or assimilated into the borg hive mind. Face it, If an EMP cooks the power grid only the Amish will know how to deal with the problem. In fact the Amish might not even notice an EMP unless they leave the farm. That said, isn’t it obvious that big food is trying to kill us with the help of pharma and the complicit judiciary. Did anyone even look into the conflicts of interest with the inspectors and courts ?
You’d think someone would have noticed, especially since the attorneys general all got fired when Obama was put in office. That paved the way for the misguided scrutiny and the lack of over sight concerning regulatory capture. The fix was in a long time ago.
It truly started WAY before 9/11. Harvard just finished a study in which they examined every piece of legislation (fed) for the last 30 years. This is legislation put forward by those pretending to have the interests of we the people, and our nation at their heart – and that is what they promise.
What Harvard found is that for 30 years there was NO legislation AT ALL – not ONE stinking bill – that was considered on the basis of what you and i need or want. It is ALL about how the government can impose more restrictions upon us, protect the corporations that bought the political whores who gave that legislation to the rich people. It was designed to help you and i literally ZERO TIMES!!!
That’s just the last 30 years – they didn’t stop because they finally found a bill that was supposed to help – it was an arbitrary chronological cut-off point.
So voting for republicans and democrats who BOTH EQUALLY enable this travesty of treason is repeating the same action and expecting a different result. Period – inarguable. When we vote dem/rep – they know that we don’t believe they are damaging us intentionally (they are) that we haven’t been screwed up enough (we have) and that we are okay with their continuing their program because we naively believe that THIS time – they finally know what needs to be done. Wake up call – voting for republicans AND/OR democrats simply authorizes their assault upon us AGAIN. Isn’t 30, 50, 60 years ENOUGH???
By voting (make sure you and everyone you can convince does so) and NEVER voting for a democrat or republican candidate – you give them the only message they can read – and they have to read it regardless of which candidate they force upon us (yes – election fraud is rampant) YOU DO NOT TRUST THEM, YOU WANT THEM TO CHANGE, YOU ARE NOT CONSENTING TO THEIR GOVERNING YOU ANYMORE.
What we must do is break the connection between the richest people that actually RUN the govt and direct how it acts (including Hershberger criminalization, food rights and so much more) and kick them out of the political arena.
The Libertarians are offering an alternative to Clintrump – Gary Johnson and Bill Weld – more about them at https://johnsonweld.com and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGD8gJt7weU
It’s not OUR govmint. This is the greatest deception of all times. Learn the history: USAvsUS.info
I just want to say that I recently bought a cow and was getting 5 gallons of milk a day and pouring it out to pigs. I got the cow all the tests to be sure she didn’t have Johnnes disease, brucellosis or TB or any of the other dangerous illnesses that can be caught from a cow and mentioned to a friend it was safe to drink the milk. She immediately wanted some, and her neighbor too. Then other people came around wanting some and I started giving it away until I had no milk for the house. Now I am not allowed to sell milk in my state and I too could be sued by the state if I am caught selling it. I can do like the drug dealers and give it away until everybody is addicted and then sell it under the table.
Just like refer madness was a propaganda film, the evening news is propaganda to mentally put us all in small boxes in our heads. The population must not be smart or healthy or self sufficient in any way. According to the Georgia guide stones the multi national rulers want to kill off 85% to 90% of humanity. That especially includes self sufficient people who would teach the other sheeple how to survive and thrive.
There are several critical points that need to be realized regarding YOUR food freedoms. We all HAVE the inherent right to grow, buy, sell, trade, process, and eat whichever foods we choose. That is HOW HUMANITY HAS SURVIVED for tens of thousands of years – so our legal precedent is unprecedented.
Secondly – the implication here is an undeniable that CORPORATIONS have the right to do what they want regarding food, but you as a human being do not. Wrong – corporations are imaginary concepts – an idea of cooperation with paperwork forming it’s basis. You are the human that needs to eat the food to survive. So this fictitious entity can control YOUR food choices? How can THAT be sane?
The corporations get a free pass here – look at that milk guy in the blue shirt pretending to worry about safety – but first mention is the ka-ching. THAT is his priority. Like nobody is going to get any income from growing and selling locally – if that were the case then Vernon would not have been able to survive economically, would he? Truth? One hundred years ago a farmer got 60% of his food/crop sales. Today – if lucky – they get 6% because the corporate middlemen processing takes all the $$$ out of the farmer’s hands to make a less healthy, less safe, product and control the market share.
So if we as Americans are DENIED the right to do what we have since humanity began regarding our food rights and processes – then how come the PEOPLE RUNNING CORPORATIONS are allowed to make the very same decisions which are denied to you and i.
YOU know your body better than anyone else possibly could – but are denied the freedom to choose how to support your individual body. Yet, some faceless corporate rich man/woman gets to force THEIR (economically based) decisions and restrictions upon you!!!!?????? If you and i as humans, citizens, Americans – have no right to make that choice about our own body – then it is impossible for some corporate rich parasite to make those same decisions and force THEIR economic and lifestyle slavery upon you and i.
This system is not just rigged for the vertical income stream of the rich people (same as corporation, get over it, lol) it is evil, fraudulent, and intending to cause more damage, take more control, force more of your food choices into their wallets through regulatory destruction of local food production and consumption.
If i recall – Judge Fiedler in his insane ruling extended the theft of our rights to include ALL foods we “produce, process, consume, or sell” or something to that effect. Well – the idiot is wrong – he, NOBODY has that authority. How can another human being – essentially the same as you, i, or any kid you see in a schoolyard – have been born with the “ability” or the “right” to steal YOUR choices from you and force you to conform to their wishes???
Obviously, in their infantile greed, the corporations and the legal system they bought out has stepped beyond the border of insanity and is erecting a castle there.
Legal is for CORPORATIONS. Lawful is for PEOPLE. Learn the difference or be a corporate slave
Of course, but how deep down the rabbit hole is this conversation going to go? Are we getting into the alleged turning the USA into a corporation in 1862 when there weren’t enough congress members to lawfully pass legislation – so that (unbinding lack of quorum) group decided to (unlawfully) turn the nation into a corporation?
That corporations (state, county, city, and USA when this is claimed) have zero regulatory authority – they only have contractual authority – and where is their contract with our signature to force us to submit to their unlawful fake “authority”?
Yes – they argue that having a birth certificate, voting, signing your mortgage and using honorifics like “Mr. Mrs. Dr. Professor,” etc all indicate signatures – but as you know – any contract is INVALID if the people signing were NOT provided with full disclosure. To not fully disclose the contract impacts constitutes fraud and makes that contract fraudulent and non-binding….
Brad, it’s good that you’re thinking for yourself, but it is my lot in life to be the guy who tells people the hard truth. Part of which I learned in the so-called “Pro_Life” thing : America is ruled by people who hate us. And we’re out-gunned … for now.
When it came down to the short strokes of stopping the baby butchers operating in their own neighbourhood, guys spouting that Patriot rhetoric “start mumbling and looking at their pockets” as poet Leonard Cohen put it. Confer with his masterpiece The Future. Another classic tactic of the Adversary in this race war, being = rape. White men are so confused de-moralized by the false teachings from the pulpit, that rape goes unpunished : the Law of our God requires the death penalty, yet antichrist judges reward them with free room and board. The next generation is being carved-up in the abortuaries and body parts merchandised as “human resources”… yet citizens avert their eyes and walk on by. I couldn’t take it anymore. So the politics of the Campaign for REAL MILK is a walk-in-the-park by comparison. Educating people about the difference between ‘the image of food’, as merchandised by the Soviet-model CAFOs versus REAL FOOD delivered by REAL FARMERS is another vector for provoking the national conscience.
… I recommend listening to everything George Gordon had to say in his radio archive. He’s one of the very few who offer a practical solution to Christians – how to ‘live in the world yet not be of it’. His forte = teaching how to create/ preserve wealth dealing in REAL MONEY, gold and silver.
i don’t care if the Rothschilds and their zionist banker buddies, their corporate CEOs etc think about me. What matters is that EVERY problem of significance on this planet (which can be remediated – and that goes from growing our own food to killing off the planet’s oxygen production, and to all other issues. CO2 global warming being a provable hoax of course) EVERY problem – is caused by rich people running corporations. NOBODY ELSE has the impact needed to damage a planet. The corporations run the “govt” too – so i pretty much ignore it as best as possible, sidestep when possible, and i’ve cast my lines in the sand.
If they come to take my ranch production i’ll kill to protect that. If they try to vaccinate me, i’ll destroy the body of the person that tries – this is my body, my right, and i’m willing to die again for this crap again.
You rant a bit about God’s laws – but we don’t live in a theocracy. i know of christians – or should i say “christians” who imply that we need to stone the abomination gay people – WHILE they wear their multiple types of clothing. That of course, makes THEM an abomination – so THEY need to be stoned first…..but wait a minute – we don’t live in Israel circa 1400 BC – so – nevermind. Doesn’t matter.
The reason you have freedom OF religion is because you have freedom FROM religion – so you want to have some people killed for violating God’s Laws (as presented by political/social/business groups calling theirselves religions – with no spirituality involved) and that opens you up to the Muslim Sharia law where you’d be killed. Better to just let people do their own thing as long as we don’t hurt others – and then let the divinities sort their differences out when the body is toast and the soul goes elsewhere.
So – all this being said – let’s worry about our food safety and how to disempower the people who THINK they were born with the authority to make other people have to do what they say. This is not the human reality – it is an imposed false paradigm, bought by the rich who use their massive $$$ to train people from birth up. Some of us are fortunate to seemingly have immunity to their garbage. Let’s get together – because they LOVE To see us divided to conquer us.
David Gumpert, Meakua, you, i, and everyone else we know that needs to eat, drink water, and breathe air – need to HELP EACH OTHER to get these things freely available for all.
Everything else is just curlicues on the border.
Brad? how much REAL MILK did you have a hand in producing / delivering today, to your local friends and neighbours?
i don’t care if the Rothschilds and their zionist banker buddies, their corporate CEOs etc think about me. What matters is that EVERY problem of significance on this planet (which can be remediated – and that goes from growing our own food to killing off the planet’s oxygen production, and to all other issues. CO2 global warming being a provable hoax of course) EVERY problem – is caused by rich people running corporations. NOBODY ELSE has the impact needed to damage a planet. The corporations run the “govt” too – so i pretty much ignore it as best as possible, sidestep when possible, and i’ve cast my lines in the sand.
If they come to take my ranch production i’ll kill to protect that. If they try to vaccinate me, i’ll destroy the body of the person that tries – this is my body, my right, and i’m willing to die again for this crap again.
You rant a bit about God’s laws – but we don’t live in a theocracy. i know of christians – or should i say “christians” who imply that we need to stone the abomination gay people – WHILE they wear their multiple types of clothing. That of course, makes THEM an abomination – so THEY need to be stoned first…..but wait a minute – we don’t live in Israel circa 1400 BC – so – nevermind. Doesn’t matter.
The reason you have freedom OF religion is because you have freedom FROM religion – so you want to have some people killed for violating God’s Laws (as presented by political/social/business groups calling theirselves religions – with no spirituality involved) and that opens you up to the Muslim Sharia law where you’d be killed. Better to just let people do their own thing as long as we don’t hurt others – and then let the divinities sort their differences out when the body is toast and the soul goes elsewhere.
So – all this being said – let’s worry about our food safety and how to disempower the people who THINK they were born with the authority to make other people have to do what they say. This is not the human reality – it is an imposed false paradigm, bought by the rich who use their massive $$$ to train people from birth up. Some of us are fortunate to seemingly have immunity to their garbage. Let’s get together – because they LOVE To see us divided to conquer us.
David Gumpert, Meakua, you, i, and everyone else we know that needs to eat, drink water, and breathe air – need to HELP EACH OTHER to get these things freely available for all.
Everything else is just curlicues on the border.
Also – in addition to the below/above – using their tool against them is a valid and effective means of shooting them down. In this case it almost amounts to a reductio ad absurdum argument showing the idiocy of their positions.
In a similar manner i tell people that since the Supreme Court Moron-jority has stated that money now equals speech – that speech now equals money – and we need to “pay our taxes” with speech since it is now legal tender.
This is so extremely concerning. I have been the recipient of Mr. Miller’s food for many years, as my mother is a member and purchases his food to feed us when we gather together several times each year. This includes six grandchildren. We love his food. How fun to have a campfire by the lake and cook real hot dogs topped with fermented salsa, and eat potato chips made with lard and homegrown potatoes. Mr. Miller’s fermented foods, meat stocks, and more have been nourishing my aging parents for years. My mother just turned 78 over the weekend, and she made sure to turn in her order for the next delivery coming soon. She and my dad just treated us to a great week filled with boating and swimming, and of course incredible real food … Their great diet is part of what is keeping them so healthy. What is happening to our country leaves me speechless. I cannot believe I am witness to such government control. Obviously, our current leaders missed history in their public school educations. And by the way, when will this film be available to view in full-length?
Wished i had access to this great food. Have him contact judge Anna Von Reitz in alaska. She’ll tell him how this corrupt corporate defacto court system has NO jurisdiction over him, unless he consents. If he doesn’t know the law (there must be an injured wo/man and the accused has to be able to face his accusor), he’s consented. It’s too bad most don’t know our rights, not common law. This is how we bypass the corrupt statutory ‘just us’ court system.
“Wished i had access to this great food. ” Find a group of like-minded others and form your own herdshare, Meakua. Be pro-active.
Good advice, Bill. I think what you’re also advising is to get off the sovereign-man/common-law shtick, and get real.
We are new supporters from California. We are shocked how much easier we could get Raw milk in Cal than in the “Dairy state.” I drank homo reg milk for decades thinking it was healthy. I contracted diabetes..upon quitting completely, I was healed ( almost totally) of the blood sugar disease. I think a class action suit is in order here! We have been on raw milk now (my wife has lactose intolerance..has no prob with the healthy milk) for some time..I feel better, my internal digestive issues are better…Amazing! The Hershburgers are sweet wonderful people BTY! Come visit their farm!
I agree with you, J Petersen, about the class action suit.
Don’t wait until they target cal and other places….they will. Learn your rights and how to protect real food, which is fast disappearing. Is it a wonder how we’re all sick?
Thanks for the sneak peek David. , I hope Amos fairs well in court.
Thank you, Paul, both for being the Hershberger jury foreman, and for sharing your views publicly in the video.
which court? The corrupt statutory BAR court for corporate fictions, or common law court of record for the people? Please, please, please, know the difference.
So meakua – give me links, perhaps a site that lists the corporate documents of the State of californication, the counties in that state, etc. This would be useful. Just talking about common vs statutory doesn’t help. Tell us what that Texas trial was stopped with – what exact demand did the defense attorney make when he demanded to have PROOF that the judge had a direct line of legitimate authority descending from the constitution. WHAT ARE THOSE DEMANDS which that judge could not meet, which got the entire trial stopped…..
THIS would be helpful. I’d carry that in my wallet.
I could be wrong but me thinks Mr. Watson might be a bridge troll…
Irene = rather than dish cheap slander, go back and read my record on this forum, over the last 6 years. Or, better, show up at the talk I’ll give at the Lions Hall in S Burnaby, on the afternoon of August 6 2016, where I’ll recap where we are in the Campaign for REAL MILK, today, after my 2 decades’ involvement. I’ll be handing out the REAL THING – and I mean milk, not Coca Cola – for those who want some. Which will bring to a head our dispute with the authorities in BC as to the validity of the law against raw milk for human consumption.
… your homework is to go through the posts on the Miller threads, to find anyone actually addressing my kvetch = that the authorities came down on Amos Amish & co for their business practices. So his sympathizers are wasting the political capital of the Campaign for REAL MILK, focussing on the unfairness of official scrutiny.
… as Liz Reitzig’s report tells us ; it’s about MEAT, not raw MILK = pretext being : meat handling. I go back so far I remember “The Jungle” by Upton Sinclair : the red meat business is far-and-away more corrupt than even the Dairy cartel. Because the red meat biz. relies upon ‘throw-away cows” out of the dairy factory farms, Miller’s success – intruding into that particular inter-state commerce – set off warning bells in the corporate world.
… one description of the word “ART” is, that the articulator successfully conveys his idea. So if my screeds resonate with “hate”, I’m glad. I hate the enemies of my God with a pure hatred, yea, I count them mine own. Prime example being ; the crime of usury practiced by the Federal Reserve System which deliberately put America in debt bondage. What I did lately, was bar-BQue the sacred cow of Miller’s brand-name = Amish-ness = for the laughable contradiction between what their doctrinal stance is re : handling the coin of the realm/ Babylon, versus their vertically-integrated conglomerate, hiding behind its quaint costume.
… my dad was a cop. He taught me the primitive way to launder money … back about 1962, you could pass-on a cheque endorsed on the back, as currency for value, to someone else who’d then cash it in their own bank account. In 1993, I sat down with Cpl Brown of the RCMP at E Division Hdquarters in Vancouver BC, with a pile of official documents all-but-proving how the abortuaries were laundering money back to the political party then in power. Arising from that moment, seven years later, David Stupich went to prison for masterminding the massive money laundering racket run by the NDP. ( Poetic justice, was : the special Prosecutor was the same guy who’d sent me to gaol. But no hard feelings)
>>> how that applies to this thread about Mr Miller’s business practices, is : Enquiring minds want to know how he managed all the accounting for a multimillion $ enterprise, across state lines. We can be sure it wasn’t the way the Amish did it, centuries ago … in gold and silver coins. The endorsements on the backs of the cheques he cashed from customers will tell the story.
… What galls me, is ; the pitch to elicit sympathy for the predicament in which Amish Amos © finds his-self, then my critics avoiding the pivotal point ; that dealing in the usury-based specie of this country is UTTERLY CONTRARY TO THE DOCTRINE OF THE AMISH CULT. What?! Are they not beholden to the laws with which us “English” have to contend?
Was someone harmed, injured who brought a claim forward with first hand knowledge? This is the only valid question. If no, there’s NO crime. Period.
“You are just so full of hate that you would sacrifice brave producers of healthy food because of religious, ethnic, and heritage differences. Pretty pathetic.”
David, that is quite a stretch of logic you make there. I can definitely see why many of you are taken aback by Gordon Watson’s strong speech. I do also see a point in what he’s saying. I probably wouldn’t put it so strongly myself, but there is a point. Interesting to me that most who have commented see only hate in his words and pretty much skip the crux of his point.
One of those points is, “Meanwhile, here on this blog critics incessantly take Mark McAffee to task, sneering that he’s only an opportunist plumping for his commercial venture. Mr McAffee is on the ground, from coast to coast, doing every thing a politician does in the thick of the fray”.
It did strike me as odd, the level of “sneering” directed at Mr. McAfee recently. Weird that some only see opportunism and posturing on his part. Likewise, I find it intriguing that some here apparently only see Miller as someone who can be described as having a round face and an air of sweetness (probably with a halo on top). Likely where Gordon gets his concern about folks wanting sympathy and “emotional extortion”.
My guess is that both are good men (keep it real people, we’re talking about humans!) and both are interested in a good livelihood that includes providing amazing food to people. Good grief.
Milkmama, I haven’t gotten the sense that Watson’s upset about criticism of Mark McAfee is the “crux” of his argument. That has been a sidelight, brought up more recently. His rants against the Amish have mostly been of a religiousl and ethnic nature, quoting from the Bible and supposed historical slights. That’s his usual M.O., to tear others down based on a white supremacist, fundamentalist Christian, view of the world.
“white supremacist …” ? I doubt if you can find evidence within anything I’ve written on this forum, to support that allegation, Mr Gumpert. But, in order to cool you out, from now on I’ll couch my comments about the Law of the God of Israel in terms of white folks’ “Ancestral Health Connection” = a term used by Joel Salatin. Feel better ?
As a casual reader of this blog, I have to say that – from what I’ve seen – I have agree with Gordon’s self-assessment. White Supremacists advocate that the white “race” is “better” or superior to than other “races.” White Supremacists also put down other races as being inferior. I have seen neither of these in Gordon’s comments. He has never denigrated people of other racial backgrounds than his.
Funny, Bill. Maybe you haven’t seen all the racist comments from Gordon because I have blocked a few of them. But veteran readers know what I am referring to. In fairness to Gordon, he has cleaned up his act a bit over the last year or so insofar as his comments on race are concerned. And if Gordon has changed his views on white supremacy, well, just goes to show that anything is possible.
one of the perks of running your own website : censoring what doesn’t suit the dialogue, then – later – alluding to stuff that an opponent never said as though it has evidentiary value for making your point. Exactly the same trick as what the FDA does with raw milk farmers ; the perennial urban myth of the sick child lying in a hospital bed’ … whose story we’re never allowed to check.
… I go back so far I remember the Greats, like Henny Youngman, and the vaudeville skit : “when did you stop beating your wife?” Pretty hard to prove a negative.
… the closest I come to qualifying as a “white supremacist” is ; preaching white national-ism = reminding White Christians of our heritage, which was common knowledge from the founding of the Republic. The doctrine that Caucasians have the Manifest Destiny to populate American and establish Amer-Reich = the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth ; confer with the Gothic language. Perhaps too big an idea for a dumb’d-down nation to handle, after race traitors in high places got away preaching lies, for the last century.
… Pride in one’s race is a good thing : those guys over in the Israeli nation-state do so unappologetically … Practicing Jewish Supremacy. And more power to ’em, I say
Gordon, I apologize for my unsavory tactics. Maybe I have, indeed, unconsciously emulated the FDA and CDC master propagandists.
That being said, I’ll leave it to readers to decide if your explanation of “white nationalism” counts as white supremacy. I still say it does.
My point really was that we can still evaluate look at Gordon’s ideas while casting aside his allusions to nationalism or supremacy of any sort. Ignore the inflammatory, and address the center of the point. While you refer to his comments about the Amish as being mostly of a religious or ethnic nature (viewed as an attack on Amos’ beliefs), I see him infering how their religious practices collide with a political structure. That political structure is the subject of our interest. No need for fanning the flames here by objectifying Gordon as a white supremacist- whether it’s true or not!
Are Muslims in the US or certain states subject to the same slaughtering and meat handling rules or are they are exempt from those rules as they are in Ontario?
http://www.therebel.media/ontario_muslims_exempt_from_meat_safety_regulations
“There are myriad rules governing the slaughtering of animals in Ontario. Case in point: after an animal is slaughtered, the meat is immediately refrigerated, to minimize the potential multiplication of harmful bacteria. All of these rules are outlined under Section 83 of Ontario’s Food and Safety Quality Act.
‘If you are a Muslim farmer and you are slaughtering animals for the purpose of Eid celebrations, you are actually exempt from those refrigeration regulations.”
@ Ken: The most interesting part of that article is the section with the reader comments . . . ;o)