Have We Watched Michael Schmidt’s Last Raw Milk Magic Performance?

Michael Schmidt welcomes police and regulators to his dairy in a 2012 raid.

Ever since an Ontario judge issued a permanent injunction barring Michael Schmidt from distributing raw milk to the 150 or so members of his food cooperative nearly two weeks ago, I’ve been waiting for the long protesting dairy farmer to pull a new rabbit out of his hat to allow the milk to continue flowing. After all, that is what he’s done for the last 24 years.

I expect he’ll come riding out from a farm field on horseback to try to chase the enforcers off his property if they give him a hard time, as he did once before. Or that he’ll launch yet another hunger strike until they disappear. Or that he’ll just ignore them, as he has any number of times in the past, and continue his simple business of supplying milk to families that desperately want the stuff. Or that he’ll organize his coop members to storm Ontario’s parliament and force its members to finally legalize what he’s been providing safely for so long.

But as the icy winter days tick by, and nothing happens, I begin to wonder if this time is different. That maybe Schmidt has pulled the last rabbit out of his well worn hat, and that the hat is now empty.

Schmidt says that what makes this time different from all the other legal obstacles thrown in his path before is that now he’s being threatened with criminal penalties if he fails to obey. That would likely mean huge fines and more jail time, on top of the 60-day sentence he received late last year for allegedly interfering with the regulators and blocking their confiscation truck during a 2015 raid.

The permanent injunction imposed by an Ontario judge on Jan. 5 is a disheartening thud for the internationally known protester after 24 years of resisting government efforts to shut him down. In a 25-page decision, the judge, P.W. Sutherland, indicated he was impressed by the 15,000 pages of supporting material Schmidt submitted tracing his efforts to provide raw milk on a private cooperative basis to his 150 members. “The voluminous material provided by the respondents and the (coop members) indicated that there is a high demand for the consumption of raw milk  and raw milk products,” the judge stated. “The demand is based on cultural, health, life choices and religious reasons. All these reasons are laudable and legitimate.”

Legitimate, perhaps, but not legal. Despite his sympathies, the judge declined to allow classification of the Schmidt’s group’s arrangement as a “family farm,” since the members aren’t blood relatives. And he declined to declare that “exceptional circumstances” exist, which would have allowed him to avoid issuing an injunction.

The judge seemed to talk himself out of using options he could easily have applied to allow Schmidt to continue serving the coop members. Sutherland concluded he was obligated to declare Schmidt’s unlicensed dairy illegal under Ontario’s Milk Act and its Health Protection and Promotion Act (HPPA), which essentially sanction a government-run cartel of licensed dairies.

Even if he obeys completely the newest order, Schmidt still faces the prospect of a steep penalty for court costs covering the injunction, likely totaling many thousands of dollars. Should he not obey the injunction, he could face further financial penalties and prison time.

One gets the sense in talking with Schmidt that he’s tired of going it alone. Yes, he’s had lots of supporters at his court appearances, but in the end, the legal burden has fallen nearly entirely on him.

Of course, much of that is intentional, part of a government process of wearing him down. As Schmidt noted, there were 70 people involved in blocking the government’s truck confiscating his dairy’s food and equipment back in 2015, but in the end, “The only person convicted was me.”

As it turns out, the government won’t be rid of raw milk. Thanks to Schmidt’s example, lots more Ontario dairies are selling raw milk illegally than was the case 24 years ago. An unknown number of Ontario citizens are traveling to Vermont and bringing raw milk with them back across the border.

As in much of the U.S., Canadian regulators are choosing to look the other way when it comes to black-market milk.

Schmidt made his decision long ago to legally challenge Canada’s dairy cartel, rather than going the underground route, and now he seems resigned to living with the consequences. He and his wife, Elisa, talk about possibly selling grass-fed beef, pork, and lamb. They also talk about setting up a music center at their farm.  Any further political action, such as a campaign to convince Ontario’s parliament to change the province’s strict no-raw-milk dairy laws, must come from coop members and others, Schmidt indicated. “Unless you put your own skin in the game, don’t feel sorry for us,” he told me.

Whatever they choose to do, you know it will be done beautifully.  In the meantime, it will be very sad to see such a passionate caretaker of the land  and dairy cows forced out of the occupation he so enjoyed, and carried out so well.

The judge may have sympathized, but obviously there is little room for compassion in a government-run mafia.

66 comments to Have We Watched Michael Schmidt’s Last Raw Milk Magic Performance?

  • Gary Ogden

    So Canada will be legalizing dope, but not raw milk. Must stop banging my head against the wall. All the best to the Schmidt’s in raising meat animals on pasture.

    • D. Smith D. Smith

      @ Gary: I’m just glad to see Canada legalize anything at all, which is a step above what the USA is doing by burying its head in the sand about almost everything connected with health, whether for good or bad, except pocket-bursting premiums which have been the fallout from obozocare and Rx drugs (read: legal) with more side effects than you can shake a stick at. Murphy’s Law: if the USA can do something wrong, it will.

      All good wishes to Michael and his family with raising all sorts of good meats, and providing comforting music in their barn. He will probably do better with those endeavors, in more ways than one, than with raw milk (with a lot less hassle).

      • Ken Conrad Ken Conrad

        D, Take heart in this statement by Winston Churchill

        “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing after they’ve tried everything else.”

        • D. Smith D. Smith

          @ Ken: Churchill was probably more right than wrong, too! Reminds me of Margaret Thatcher who said “socialism is wonderful – until you run out of other people’s money”.

          These people seem to know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

    • Melissa J

      The only reason Canada is legalizing cannabis is because they fully intend to run a “government cartel” there as well; designed to squash small producers and use inane legislation to promote the interest of “licenced producers” which are a long list of corrupt the politicians, CEO’s and police who benefited from jailing these people and will do so even more with new legislation, while they mine the goldrush.

      • D. Smith D. Smith

        @ Melissa: Maybe so, but at least it’s a foot in the door for the citizens of Canada. People have to start somewhere in getting things legislated. Something like this shouldn’t take years because it’s already, what, a 5,000+ year old herb? They’ve had plenty of time to study it but NOW they show an interest because the people are showing an interest. Not everything starts out at the top – people have to keep pushing to get things to the top if they want success in “alternative” methods. Yes sir, something 5,000 years old is considered alternative. There will be many games to play before sanity takes hold, I’m sure.

  • John Dutcher

    That is sad, but I certainly can understand why!! With the utmost respect, I send Best wishes To Michael Schmidt in any new endeavors he ventures onto, he is a very strong individual and I am sure he will succeed in whatever new direction life takes him.

    My Hat is Off To You Sir!!
    John Dutcher

  • Ken Conrad Ken Conrad

    The current Ontario Government and Canadian Federal government have little respect and tolerance for conscientious objectors especially if they are raw milk consumers, prolife advocates and parents who are apposed to vaccinating and or the teaching of insidious sex education to their children.

    • Steve Tallent

      Sadly, the same can be said of the US Govt as well. And the media is their partner in castigating and finding these folks guilty of crimes against society (even if they haven’t broken a specific law) before they ever go to trial. Basically, between govt intimidation and harassment and biased and unfair media coverage with an agenda, a person’s life can absolutely be ruined for the reasons that you list above, even if they never break any law.

  • Jack Moffitt

    I thank him for his service!

  • Political progress may be on a different track in the far west of Canada in BC. I am working with a small group of very smart raw milk activists that are fully engaged and using science, lobbying, university professors, and relationships to turn the tide.

    It will take time but I am very encouraged.

    If I were Mike I would quietly declare victory. Go deep underground. Give the farm to a collective of consumers and have owners come to the farm to get their own milk. It will be impossible to check every car that leaves with ice chests. Let this be a slow burn, long term consumer based fight. Time for Mike to spread the stress and share it with many. They can wear their own targets and bear their own burdens.

    If the people of Canada want raw milk….all must bear the burden.

    Mark

  • Art Jefford

    As fresh milk is not legal milk it must be something else … Time to sell fresh cows necture harvested with the best sterilized procedures for better health

  • Contact me and I can tell you 55 places you can get raw milk, cheese, butter either picked up at the farm or delivered in Ontario! Thanks to all Michael Schmidts hard work to keep the attention on him! This has let the underground raw milk industry grow, even some licenced dairy farmers are in the game of selling raw milk in your area. Call 705-328-7197 or email [email protected] KEEP RAW MILK FLOWING IN ONTARIO!

  • Thank you for posting my service for to hook people up to get RAW MILK in ONTARIO! Bill Denby

  • Leon Moyer

    Michael Schmidt needs to research the jury nullification doctrine, so that if he gets charged with anything criminal, he should have the right to a jury trial where he can take the witness stand and testify that the government has produced no victim, and where there is no victim there is no crime, so he is not guilty. In closing argument, he or his attorney MUST be willing to instruct the jurors that they sit as JUDGES and may use their discretion to not enforce any law they believe to be unlawfully enacted or enforced by the government! Read more at http://www.fija.org

    • Vera

      Leon, Canada is not the 51st state, no matter what your nation’s Manifest Destiny” doctrine says. Stop advising Canadians on what to do, based on American law.

  • Gordon S Watson

    Leon … first, in the Dominion of Canada, we don’t have the right to a jury trial unless the the Defendant is charged with an offence in which the potential sentence is 5 years or more in prison. Second ; jury nullification did occur, in Canada, in the trials – plural – of abortionist Henry Morgue+Dollar. But it NEVER happens here, because any lawyer saying such a thing out loud, would find himself charged with contempt in facie, and hauled out of the Courtroom by the Sheriff, IMMEDIATEMENT

    In one of his trials, a juror came back to Court from a break, and told the judge that he’d been offered a bribe to acquit Morgue-y. The judge let that juror go, then never polled the others! Just one of the little anecdotes proving that most crimes are committed by the govt. The rationale by the Supremely Foolish Court of Canada, was ; that since juries would not convict Morgue-y, the law against artificial abortion had to go. So today this Dominion suffers wholesale slaughter of unborn children, whose body parts are then merchandised. How do you like feminism, so far?

  • To all that may read this: Michael has supported all raw milk dairy farmers in more ways than he will ever know and has paid the price for all of us in the USA and Canada. I still believe if I am ever in jail he will be there to support me in any way he can. I continue to educate all the people, government or people wanting to learn from the pioneers of the movement. If we believe in rights of the people we have to educate all. Children maybe where we have to start and they will teach our leaders. Michael, you will always mean so much to me, when you were willing to hear my story. WOW how powerful was that as I was a nobody with a little dairy farm in Oregon trying to make a living. Thank you and thank you Gary for your support also.

  • Thanks to all the Raw Milk Buyers that have e mailed and called about our service, Our service is very detailed and requires back round checks of the buyers before we provide any locations of our suppliers. Be prepared to have a one on one meeting with us, we need a copy of your Social& Drivers licence, address where you live, so we can check you out to make sure your not a spy for the Government agencies DFO or Local Health Units! We protect our Suppliers& will not put them at risk! Thanks for over 200 inquiry in to our Service on hooking up our Suppliers with the buyers wanting RAW MILK! Thank you, Bill

  • what needs to be done now is all you raw milk farmers have to try and get your members to turn the tables on the big ag now
    I’m sure many of your member shave personal stories as far as getting sick with conditions from the pasteurized crap.They have to be personally documented.
    this needs to go to a court of law and the department of health and to their private doctors they need to get letters stating this
    send out emails to all your members asking for this help.
    Isne that why we all are drinking your beautiful raw dairy anyway?
    So we have to try and get proof to bite them back
    would this work??
    If we all did this starting today see out emails

  • meant “share” where it says shave

  • Hi Kathy, The government and Courts already have there proof Raw Milk is Safe,8,000 people on Dairy farms drink raw milk every day and never get sick! What we really need to do is build is build a separate system under ground for Producers and buyers to be able to Drink and enjoy RAW MILK! Stop trying to convince the Courts, DFO and health Units to allow people to chose, Instead BUILD OUR OWN SAFE SYSTEM for RAW MILK USEAGE in Ontario. Together we can make it happen, they will wake up faster once they see what we can build, we have 55 raw milk suppliers and Buyers already in the Province. I want to see at least 500 raw milk producers, milking 20 to 25 cows producing the highest quality Raw milk in all of Ontario. We sit next to the biggest market in Canada, the GTA, 8 million people that have come from countries that love and drink RAW MILK! It is time Now ,Michael has given us the years to try and work with Governments and DFO and Health Units to build that system together. Look what they have done to him, NO MORE will we try to work with them ,The market is there and we are going to develop it UNDER GROUND!

  • Billi Johnson!!! Hello there!!!

    What Michael needs is a true raw milk radical like you up in Canada. You rock!!

  • I totally agree. Michael has given so much to the entire raw milk movement nationally and internationally.

  • so in your opinion what jus the difference between “underground” and so called “above ground” (their way)
    I think you mean
    what is the difference

  • yeah they were horrible to him
    hes gonna reign though
    i believe just like rosa parks and all others that have paved the way to freedom for us the real hard way not with any lawyers assistance
    are going to get many bessings from our creator
    hope he protects you and your family Bill

  • Gordon S Watson

    “Rosa Parks” ? … Rosa Parks was a card-carrying commie. Hardly a heroine for the Campaign for REAL MILK. The incident staged on the bus that day was scripted well in advance … since glorified as the defining moment when the Communist Party USA set in motion its agenda to use the Negroes as a blunt weapon for destroying white Christian America. Of course you don’t accept that, because the public fool system made sure you never got the facts. Educate y’rself.

  • how was white christian america destroyed gordon…I’m thinking they don’t teach this in the history books

    • David Gumpert David Gumpert

      I don’t think you want to go down that path, Kathy. Watson has expounded too often here on his white supremacy viewpoint, so I’d suggest you take a look at some past commentary over the last few years to get that info. But his trashing of Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King give you most of what you need to know.

      • Gordon S Watson

        Mister Gumpert : if you have more and better information, gain-saying what Dr Makow publishes concerning Rosa Parks as an active communist – America being ruled by those who hate us – I’d be interested to study it. What I see on his website is pretty convincing. It pertains to the Campaign for REAL MILK, because the official policy of Red China TO THIS VERY HOUR is : that the US of A is its mortal enemy, and that it will use any and every means for fighting us, in its drive to impose communism on the whole world. You think the fentnyl plague “just happened” ?

        As explained in the NetFlix doc. “Rotten”, foodstuffs coming in to retail shores, being one small proof of the ancient oriental doctrine “white face; black heart”. Speaking to the mother-in-law of a dairyman, yesterday, she tells me that the product of his herd of 200 cows in Ireland, is shipped to China. There = you have one of the proofs we are on the way down the slippery slope into the PigSty of Jesus’ parable of the Prodigal Son. Which is why the Campaign for REAL MILK is so threatening to the corporate world…. the design of the Powers-that-Be is to create a stanglehold on food supply, so they can impose famine in your neighbourhood. Stalin did it in the Soviet Union to destroy his class enemies, namely = Christians. Don’t think it can’t happen here.

  • all things are not what they seem
    i think ill just stick with the milk thing sorry david

    • Gordon S Watson

      don’t be sorry, Kathy. Be glad that your post is a platform for a teachable moment. We’re all learning.

      If you did read ALL of that article – you’d have the answer to your query “how was white christian America destroyed. But in case you missed it : being the PhD that he is, Dr Makow provides documentation /references substanting that the NAACP was a creation of the the anti-christ Plutocrats, whose wicked agenda, is: to employ any and every means for genocide of the white race. As far-out as that is to accept by someone who comes upon it, this late in the game : the way the domestic enemies of the nation have stolen the nutrition out of our mouths … substituting lies … is part of that overall grand, centuries-long conspiracy. Or would you prefer to believe that the present tragic condition in this country, is just ‘unforeseen consequences of good intentions’?!

  • Mark Mcafee Mark Mcafee

    When they go low… you go high.

    In the end it will not be the screaming of your enemies but the silence of your friends that is the greatest betrayal.

    Rise above negative and divisive voices. Build good things… Say good things. Do good things

    The dream lives on because the dream was grounded in universal colorblind humanity.

    Mark

  • Gordon S Watson

    if you’re “colorblind” Mister McAffee, it’s because you’re not playing with a full deck, ie. taking in information from the real world, properly. God Almighty made the races for his own purposes.

    amusing that you keep using that quote by Trans-gender Michelle Obama … as her husband knows all about what the term “down-low” means, from his days frequenting the sodomite whorehouses in Chicago.

    “The silence of your friends is the greatest betrayal” ? … how much of a friend were you while 40 million children were murdered by artificial abortion, during your lifetime?. You – of all people, a paramedic – averting your eyes from the patients in the womb when they most needed a friend!

    Since you went on and on on this forum all last year, hyperventilating about Donald Trump … culminating in your false prophecy Pence by Xmass” … surely you noticed that he’s the first President to come out and address the March for Life. His predecessors couldn’t muster the testicular wherewithal to stand up and face the voters on THE most important issue of the generation. The world belongs to those who show up. Which would exclude you and alla the morally-castrated males in Ham-merica who pretend would have us believe they ‘don’t know where babies come from’, and that they don’t know ABORTION IS MURDER.

    “the dream lives on” you say? What dream would that be? The horror-show that The Golden State, is, after a generation of invaders flooding in to parasitize the place? Oh, that’s right, they all vote the straight Democratic ticket, so that makes it OK. Read the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Gibbon, to see what the next stage is, for you. If you think that you’re safe and secure out in Kernan, insulatated from the commies coming ’round and slitting your throats in the middle of the night – as is happening in S Africa this very hour – think again. Like the ANC, La Raza laughs at you … the last thing they are, is “colorblind”

    • John Dutcher

      AGAIN< JUST WOW!!! I keep waiting for Mulder and Scully from the x-files to show up here LOL!!!

      Life is short, do not have time for the BS!!

  • Ken Conrad Ken Conrad

    Gord,

    “People don’t realize how hard it is to speak the truth to a world of people that don’t realize they’re living a lie”. Edward Snowden

    This Time article paints a different picture of Rosa Parks based on her active involvement with the NAACP and the staged bus event… In reference to historian Jeanne Theoharis, author of “The Rebellious Life of Mrs. Rosa Parks”, the article states, “The bus image meanwhile was staged at a later date; the man sitting in the seat behind her is a reporter.

    ‘While it’s not good that many people might assume those first two images came from Dec. 1, 1955—when there were no reporters or cameras around— the bigger issue… is that they show her as a passive, quiet, accidental player in the civil rights struggle rather than the life-long activist she really was. And the problems with the pictures can be seen as a metaphor for the problems with the whole story of Rosa Parks.”
    http://time.com/4125377/rosa-parks-60-years-video/

    I am not about to second-guess Rosa Park’s true intention on Dec. 1 1955. I was only 2 years old at the time and as with most outside observers this would mean that I would have to trust someone else’s interpretation of the events. I have frustratingly come to realize that the interpretation of historical events tend to be ambiguous and often misleading.

    The line drawn between human beings with different skin colors to justify white privilege is absurd and unconscionable just as the line that is drawn between the born and unborn child and likewise between a woman’s rights and the rights of her unborn child in order to justify abortion is equally absurd and unconscionable. Attempting to justify white privilege and abortion inherently disenfranchises every human being from objective value.

    Despite what’s going on in the world around us I remain steadfast in my faith in Christ. Again in the words of Edward Snowden, “Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped”.

  • Shana Milkie

    Michael Schmidt is a brave and wonderful man. We cannot overestimate the service he has provided to those who seek food choice. If he needs to change strategies right now so that he can live to fight another day, I salute him and wish him the best of luck.

  • gordon
    doesnt jesus say to love all ” Nations”
    that means black folks right??
    or no
    im just wondering if i have something wrong here…like a lie i have been told all these years.please tell me
    im ignorant maybe to alot here
    thanx

  • don’t reply to any of my ???
    i think i know what this all means
    thanx gordon

  • Gordon S Watson

    Kathy = if you can find that phrase in the Scriptures, I’d be surprised. You strike me as one of the people who like to think of themselves as Christian, yet have never read the course textbook – the Bible. Sure, you’ve read a few pages here and there, and you have a few favourite passages for supporting your theology, but you don’t have a grasp of what it actually says. The Bible is the handbook of government for the Israel-ites … written FOR Israel, TO Israel, and ABOUT Israel. Since we, white people, are direct descendants of the man, Jacob whose name was changed to Israel, then God’s Law as presented in that book, is our heritage. Tragically, you – like this whole nation – have been bamboozled by pulpit parrots preaching a false gospel of ‘easy believe-ism” / “universal salvation”.

    For the record … No : I do NOT preach “Israel only”. When the Kingdom of Heaven is established ON THE EARTH, individuals from every family on earth – race – will be its citizens. The test for entry being: whether you acknowledge Jesus Christ as the Messiah of Israel, and King in that Kingdom. Until He returns, we can have that Kingdom here and now for brief moments. So why not practice obedience, in preparation?! The agriculture and food laws, is an easy place to start.

  • WHERE THE HELL DID ALL THIS GARBAGE COME FROM ABOUT RELIGION AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD! THIS IS ABOUT SETTING UP A PIPELINE FULL OF RAW MILK FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BUY AND CONSUME RAW MILK PRODUCTS! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD OR WHAT EVER YOU WANT TO CALL SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT EXSIST. IF THERE WAS THIS ALL MIGHTIE THING EAN WHY DO LITTLE CHILDREN DIE FROM CANCER, OR BE KILLED IN CAR ACCIDENTS!THERE IS NO PROVE THAT THIS GUY EVEN DONE THE THINGS PEOPLE THINK AND WAS ONLY WRITTEN BY PEOPLE THAT COULD TELL A GOOD STORY AND IT GOT PASSED DOWN FOR CENTURIES! IF THERE WERE A GOD WHY WOULD IT ALLOW THE PRIEST TO RAPE CHILDREN AND WOMEN,EVERY FAITH HAS SICK BASTARDS RUNNING THE CHRUCH AND STEALING PEOPLE MONEY IN THE NAME OF GOD! THE SUN IS GOD AND THE MOON IS THE DEVIL, HEAVEN IS RIGHT HERE ON EARTH AND WE CONTROL OUR OWN LIVES! I AM VERY SORRY PEOPLE HAVE TO RELY ON SOMETHING THAT IS NOT REAL, IF IT WAS WHY THEN DOES HE NOT STOP THE PEOPLE THAT ARE STOPPING OTHER PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO RAW MILK! PLEASE GET BACK TO WHAT OUR GOAL IS, TO SET UP A UNDER GROUND SUPPLY FOR RAW MILK PRODUCERS AND BUYERS! THANK YOU BILL

    • Gordon S Watson

      if you are sincerely interested in answers to those questions, read the Book. ‘Til you do, you’re ignorant of the foundation of Western thought, and what build white civilization. Ditch the non-sense told to you by the relgious racketeers ( of all stripes). Get the facts and think for yourself.

      America is the land of milk and honey. REAL MILK is one of the promises our God made to us = “butter and honey shall he eat … “.
      Educate yourself, Mr Denby, before you open your yap with all that trite non-sense puked out by typical anti-christs

      • John Dutcher

        I DO get Stuff!! LOL!! Oh! You meant stuffed!!! I Do that too, stuffed on my homegrown and wonderful foods LOL!! ALong with my illegal dairy products!!

        AND speaking of Puke Gordy Ol’ Lad!!

        Like my old man, the Marine Korean war veteran used to always say ALL Religion is just BUllSHIt to control the masses!!

    • Ken Conrad Ken Conrad

      Your uppercase emphasis brought to mind this comment by CS Lewis, “We can ignore even pleasure. But pain insists upon being attended to. God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is his megaphone to rouse a deaf world.”

  • John Dutcher

    AMEN BROTHER!!!

  • John Dutcher

    Bill Denby,
    I am not an atheist, I consider myself an agnostic. I, too, am very tired of hearing about religion, ALL OF THEM!!! The Dalai Lama said the time for conversion is past, He IS right. We are ALL going to find out when we die. I don’t worry about the here after, I have tried to do good all my life( most of the time anyway LOL)and IF there is more after, then I am quite sure I won’t be punished too severely!!! And if I am wrong, so be it!!

    Time for illegal milk, illegal eggs, illegal bacon and legal toast LOL!!!

  • John Dutcher

    Gordon, please keep your “stuff” to yourself!!!

  • John Dutcher

    One more thing, my wife is pleading with me to stop communicating with Gordon ,she is quite afraid of him and what he might do, she thinks he is going to show up at our home, I find that a bit amusing myself. I told her I would try to stop, but sometimes I just cannot help myself LOL!!!

    David,
    My apologies for hijacking this site temporarily, I will try to be better!!!

  • Gordon most people today do not go to church for the very reasons I raised ,they are tired of people like you that are fanatics about God & Jesus! Who no one has ever seen, are you sane or live in a world of make believe, it appears you might have some mental health issues. I would seek help before you get locked up for being crazy! Your garbage is all about control, you are no different then the very people that have followed Michael over the years! They two think they are saving people by protecting them from RAW MILK, you need to have a good look in the mirror. you are not much different! I am first nation decent, we have practiced that the Sun is our god for Centuries because it give life and without it you have nothing! The moon is the Devil because most bad things happen when the Sun is gone, these two facts stand the test of time! The truth is we all what the Sun can do every day and when the Moon comes at night it releases the devil in all of us! Some people just know how to handle both! Good luck Gordon on your road to recovery! Regards, Bill

    • D. Smith D. Smith

      The sun is not God, the moon is not the devil. What “test of time” are you talking about?

      Where on earth do people get these strange notions?

      Farmers have, for centuries, been planting crops and doing other farm chores according to the phases of the moon and they certainly were not crazy. You, on the other hand, seem borderline.

      And, just so you know, there are just as many crimes (“bad things”) that happen during daylight hours as there are at night.

  • Ken Conrad Ken Conrad

    Bill and John,

    I highly recommend this video.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChWiZ3iXWwM

  • Gordon S Watson

    Bill Denby … coming in late to this forum, you don’t realize you’re dealing with a Court-certified religion fanatic. That would be me. Read the Bible, some time and ALL of it. You’ll see that this is how it goes with the prophetic type.

    as for your religion, every weekend my job as a taxidriver takes me to the e Indian Reserves here in Saanich BC. Would it further the discussion, for me to post images of what shitholes they are … from the point where the white man’s roads end and your so-called “First Nations” govern demselves, according to their tradition? First and last = the 3rd world conditions on Indian Reserves in Canada is direct result of what the false gods your people worship, visited on them. See Wade Davis’ book The Serpent and the RAinbow, which is about voodoo in Haiti, yet applies perfectly to the West Coast Salish spirit dance cult. A few miles away from the reserves, is Dean Park / every house on the street is worth a million $. Come see for yourself the result of how the Protestant work ethic [ which our God programmed in to us as part of him writing His law on the hearts and minds of Israelites, ie. us, White people ] – manifests in objective reality, versus your world of myth.

    Not a day goes by that I don’t take some local Indian people to the supermarket in the taxicab, where they buy dairy products = all of which are produced by white Christian farm families. I have yet to meet an Indian who has so much as grown a patch of potatoes for himself, let alone gets out and does the milking chores. No, since the whiteman rowed ashore in BC the aborigines gave up working for a living, and hang around the trading post.

    But it’s not just Vancouver Island = the failed cultures of aborigines are eyesores from coast to coast, for those who admit the facts.

    Bill Denby : save your breath about “it’s all the white man’s fault”. That one’s wearing awfully thin. And what good does it do you, to keep on playing the Blame Game of learned helplessness?

    I harp-away on this forum provoke to conscience of my own nation. You go your way and most likely, I’ll go mine.

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