The more data there is suggesting that raw milk is not only safe, but also healthy and popular, the more difficult it is for the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, the Centers for Disease Control, and the various professional medical associations to argue otherwise. Or let me put it this way: the more shrill and hollow their arguments sound.
We’ve seen at least three small studies of raw milk undertaken in recent years: one out of a Michigan food co-op suggesting that sufferers of lactose intolerance do better with raw milk, the one I summarized in my previous post indicating that raw milk sales benefit Massachusetts dairy farmers and local communities more than is generally understood, and one just conducted via an online survey by California raw milk advocate Amanda Rose on the characteristics of raw milk drinkers (some of the intitial results have been posted on an Internet site, showing, most notably, that about three-fourths of the raw milk drinkers in the survey have undergraduate degrees or better). Other similar studies are no doubt under way or being contemplated.
Now, these studies may vary in their scientific depth and credibility, but what they all have in common is that they reduce, little by little, the sense of fear that public health authorities work so hard to create.
Certainly there have been other more scientifically-based recent studies completed that suggest consuming raw milk shows important benefits, but the establishment scientists who conduct them invariably hew the government line, to the effect: It seems as if raw milk confers important health benefits, but we can’t recommend that people drink it because the FDA and CDC say it’s dangerous. (Note that the major study I linked to was funded by the European Union and other European organizations; as such it provides a sense of what an American government agency would expect if it even got to the point of encouraging or funding such research.)
To me, such government-sponsored studies are biased: raw milk is damned in the end no matter what its benefits. So how do we get more of what I would call the unbiased studies completed? A number of people are wondering that, and following my previous post have suggested organizing a foundation or even a research conference devoted to raw milk and related research. These are all great ideas, and if someone wants to take the challenge on (the biggest challenge being raising money) I’m sure there would be all kinds of great proposals for studies. I’d certainly be pleased to do what I can to help move things along.
But if such devices can’t be readily created, I’d suggest an alternative: that small local organizations, or even individuals, think about conducting their own studies, as occurred in Michigan, Massachusetts, and California. Such studies don’t need to be expensive, since the organizations tend to have existing relationships with consumers. Internet technology helps keeps costs down.
Such studies, because they involve real people with real experience, tell the story the government doesn’t want people to hear.
I know Pottenger did some animal feeding studies, but as far as I know, all of his studies included a variety of foods including milk, but not just milk.
Here’s the link.
http://www.pitangogelato.com/index.htm
They already have U-Tube video testimonials of perhaps one hundred raw milk consumers each with their story of healing.
The most prevalent complant we hear about at the Farmers Market consumer connection is Lactose Intolerance with processed milk. That should be our first little study.
I will suggest childhood immune improvement be the second study. This study will attempt to document the changes in prevalence of childhood allergies, asthma, colds and ear infections prior to and after starting drinking retail available raw milk.
The third research study could be IBS and Gut related disorders. It appears that Americans have really chewed upo their GUTS with the SAD diet and the drugs given afterward to suppress the symptoms of its destuction. Raw milk and Raw Milk Kefir fixes these challenges very quickly…
So thats my suggested sequence of studies. We have a database and email list of thousands of willing Raw Milk consumers in CA. Now we just need an expert to provide us the list of study questions for each of these study scenarios.
This is cheap. I am on it. If anyone can suggest a investigatiional study expert that could help out please let me know.
David…..you are so right. Chip, chip, chip and we will have hard proof of what sits in our gut, minds and hearts already.
Mark
"To me, such government-sponsored studies are biased: raw milk is damned in the end no matter what its benefits. "
I would add that funding from groups such as WAPF would be equally biased.
Mark,
"Now we just need an expert to provide us the list of study questions for each of these study scenarios."
The type of research you propose above is not simple or cheap (if you are truly talking about science, not new quick and dirty material for an activist brochure). However, I completely agree with you that the best place to start is with a list of priority research areas. Keep in mind though that the expert(s) you seek will also want input into the list, and their list of priorities might difer. In fact, I’d guess that everyone on this blog would have a different list of priorities if queried (some minor and some major differences in opinion). If there is room to discuss and come to an agreement about the type of research that would provide the most bang for the buck, this idea has some chance of attracting interest.
DW and I take no meds and visit no MDs and in a combined total of 10 years we have cost the Medicare system nothing absolute zero dollars and now are in our 5th year consuming raw dairy and real food. IMHO consuming raw dairy and real food would soon solve the enormous health care funding problem.
I recently received a call from a classmate of 1955 that gave me a very depressing story of all the dire physical sufferings and all the costlly operations that these elderly folk are [perhaps needlessly] experiencing.
Why the stark difference between DW and I and our friends and our peers? We have REJECTED all the advise that this parasitic system has to offer.
I already know the results of consuming the SAD for 68 years [not good] and I now am enjoying major beneficial health results of consuming raw dairy for over 4 years. So I guess we do need to produce the truth about raw dairy in a manner that the system can not refute and what shall they do then?
While I agree with your experience of dramatically improved health for the elderly…these may be harder things to quantify. The reason my list seems so basic is because they seem to be very common and easier to measure.
Our experience in CA has been….the consumer tells us that they get severe gas cramps and or diarrhea when drinking pasteurized milk. We then try raw milk and no gas or diarrhea.
That is the kind of easy black and white data I was hoping to be able to measure.
Lykke….alas…I agree with you. You are so correct that studies conducted by WAP or any raw milk group will be shot down in buring flames. I tried last year to get Dr. Linda Harris at UC Davis to conduct a very basic study on raw milk coliforms and the deviation of data when lab assessed at different labs. She agreed and said she would assign a PHD student to work with me. I was not able to get her to speak with me again. She did not return emails and phone calls I left for her. This is the type of political stuff Raw Milk collides with. It is depressing and it is part of the problem. The Universities that get millions from Monsanto BST patents…are also the same Universities that will not look at raw milk.
We need profressors that will look at our studies and be above corruption. I do not fear the results one little bit…..not even a little. I am so compelled with what I see over and over and over again with our consumers that I know the data by heart.
Perhaps a lesser PhD at a lesser University would study this data. There is an "excerise physiology" PhD at Fresno State that seems very interested. I will see what she says. We need people that are not part of the political paradigm yet part of the system to do this research. It does not need to cost a fortune and the numbers of subjects studied does not need to be huge. If this study is profound….the NIH is somewhat obligated to assist and fund further inquiry. These little chip away studies open doors for the more expensive big bang studies.
Lykke…you are just the person to designate the study PhD…a person that is critical of raw milk is precisely the right person to help assess its real value. I agree that I am biased….How could I not be….I get hugs all day long by people that swear by raw milk and what it has done for them. Lykke….I am open to any resources that you or even CP may suggest to study this data. The subjects are available and very interested in helping out. Any ideas??? We need an unbiased or even anti raw milk biased researcher. That way the study would be tough to be critical of…let the data speak for itself.
Mark
Is it more dangerous than lunch meats? hotdogs? etc. Which has more illnesses? more contamination? Processed foods? these are proven to lead to illnesses, yet they are promoted by tptb.
Indeed an up-hill battle. What studies has tptb done to PROVE that raw dairy is so dangerous? And if it is so dangerous why hasn’t the human race declined in numbers? or died off? The 40000+ consumers in CA alone don’t appear to be suffering.
I’m not saying new raw dairy studies are a waste of time and money, I think its a good thing. Will it change my consumption of raw dairy? No, not at all. I would like to see what the make-up (nutrients/enzymes) comparison is of raw milk and pasteurized milk (I refer to raw milk from a grass fed and of course from a clean dairy, for example Claravale/OP)
Im very touched you would like to include me. Heres the problem you need to work onlies/exaggeration. The CREMA website has 32 stories posted, not hundred. One is a repeat, so it is actually 31 stories. Of these stories, 22 involve information about healing from something after drinking raw milk; the other 9 are only opinions about raw milk being healthier than pasteurized.
How many people are you claiming drink raw milk in California? 40 thousand? 50 thousand? Viewed through this lens, 22 healing stories is weak. If I added up the number of people who have become ill from drinking raw milk (not cheese) since 2005 (throughout the U.S.) there are more than 22 victims.
I think the idea of uniting people who drink raw milk and having them pitch in money to run a research study on raw milk is a good idea. Since Im fixated on the pathogen aspect of raw milk, I think a safety focus would give you the biggest bang for the buck. Both sides (pro and con) are interested in this topic.
What stood out for me when I read the 2003 version of Untold Story of Milk (besides the lies about the BSK study) was historically raw milk was not consumed straight from the cow. Prior to refrigeration, raw milk was consumed fermented. Heres my question, Is the fermentation process equivalent to pasteurization for pathogen safety?
Run it like the BSK study, but have only one pathogen at a time tested. Use the same raw milk for both. For example, put E.coli 0157:H7 in two samples of identical milk. Pasteurized one and let the other one sit for however many hours/days is necessary to ferment it with kefir grains. Measure the results of both samples. Do the same thing for Salmonella, Listeria and Campylobacter.
Does anyone have any predictions as to what the outcome of this study would reveal?
cp
http://www.soilfoodweb.com/01_services/what_tests.html
http://www.soilfoodweb.com/03_about_us/approach.html
miguel, this is the potential problem with your approach of simply hiring a contract lab….I don’t want to beat this dead horse again, but look at the BSK study. A private lab was contracted to conduct a small study, and the results were subsequently misinterpreted. The BSK study ultimately became entrenched in the raw milk movement’s propaganda and represent one of the biggest impediments to gaining trust in the scientific community. Since David provided a link to the BSK report on this blog and I reviewed it closely, I’m willing to give Mark the benefit of the doubt and say that the private lab did not provide a clear description of the methods or how to interpret the data; thereby, leaving the study open to widespread misinterpretation. However, I also think it is time to admit that and move on. Any scientist can look at the BSK data and see clearly it does not support the hypothesis of "competitive exclusion" of pathogens by "good bacteria," and recognize that the methods were not rigorous or repeated to allow for definitive conclusions.
Back to the trust thing – the BSK study (and some cherry picking of the European studies on benefits relating to allergies) have made many nervous about working on raw milk related questions (beneftis and limitations as David K. put it). This is why I like the idea of a group with diverse opinions working together to establish a list of priority research areas – some like cp and myself (representatives of food safety concerns) will want food safety questions answered. Others like the majority on this blog will want to answer questions about benefits and consumer preferences. If there could be some agreement on a priority list without everyone throwing their hands up and storming out of the room, it would suggest that there is the possibility of developing enough trust to work together in a research environment.
I agree with you 100%. When you put raw milk up against other foods, the other foods cause a lot more illness and death. Should these other foods be banned because they kill people?
Far more people die on American highways than from food illness, about 40,000 per year versus 5,000 per year. We could probably save 20,000 lives a year by cutting speed limits to 30 mph or less on all highways. That’s 4 years worth of deaths from food related illness. Where is the outcry for highway deaths?
As far as nutrient comparisons between raw and pasteurized milk, I suspect that there is more variation from the type of feed given the cows than from raw versus pasteurized. Some vitamins are reduced a bit by pasteurization, but in my mind the biggest difference is the loss of enzymes and beneficial microbes that promote proper digestion (bioavailability of nutrients) and strengthen our immune system. The simple study that I suggested in the first comment above would address this issue.
I agree with you 100% that the dangers on the highways outweigh all other safety concerns (might even say that worldwide). Here’s the but…we’re talking about raw milk. Everyone could change focus and get a job or activitst focus in traffic safety. Forget about food safety or raw milk benefits – change gears and only work on the horrible and preventable deaths from traffic accidents – put 100% of the funding there.
Not a good approach, IMHO. For example, should we ignore malaria or HIV because there are more traffic accidents? Should we ignore childhood obesity because more kids will die in car accidents than from diabetes?
Each area of concern offers important research questions. Therein lies the fight to get a "place" on the list of priorities for funding research and prevention/health education.
anyone who has done some reading/thinking/looking around research can tell you what causes well more then 90% of these childhood issues.
you seem to have very little concern for any food issue beyond raw milk. while this blog might be raw milk centric it also touchs many other food and health issues, but you mostly go to extremes to avoid mentioning them, you never answer the well worn question about the other 76 million food illnesses estimated to occur in the usa each year.
by doing so and by debasing anyone pro raw milk you diminish any credibility you may be (or have been able to earn here).
you want us all to have balance? but you offer no balance youself. why is that?
now it seems, from reading you posts on this blog entry, you want to steer how the proposed research is conducted? i don’t think so….
if you think you have a bully pulput to dictate from, think again. i truly don’t care if you hate, fear, dispise or are revolted by raw milk, that’s your choice.
what i do object to, and object passionately to is your slant toward forcing your view on me and everyone else here. your repeated beating of the powers that bes’ drum is farily wornout here, and while a few hgere continue to try to engage you in a politically correct manner it’s my opion that the days of political correctness are gone.
america is badly damaged as a nation and as a people and you can point the fingure directly at political correctness as a major cause of that damage. the claptrap of "save the children" is a purely manipulative weapon to force people to accept totaliarian control over their lives and choices.
remember that you can’t give a tottler a spanking anymore… it’s now child abuse… you want to see child abuse i can point you in the right direction to see some of the most horrid abuse well beyond your sheltered lifes ability to imagine. a spanking is not child abuse….
not to go too wide of the mark to make a point. you and your control freak types are going to face a rude awakening in the next few years as millions of americans are waking up to the distruction brought upon them by our gov’t and the special interests and the corporate power base that wants to take more and more liberty and choice and decision making and freedom from us all, yet insist we are still 100% responsible for the conquences of tptb actions.
answer the first question i asked you in this post and answer everyone who has posed basicly the same question to you ad-nausium for many months.
you need a reality check lyke… you are not in charge here and you will not be n charge anywhere (except inside your own house) for much longer. americans are about to let you all (tptb) that we are done. we are not socialists. we will not accept fashism. we will restore america and it’s basic values or die trying…. what will you do?
As you pointed out, nutrient comparisons between raw and pasteurized milk would inflict a large variation from the type of feed given, along with the soil health, etc. I’ve read that there is a decrease in the vitamins from pasteurization and the loss of enzymes and beneficial microbes which is required for proper digestion and strengthen the immune system also occurs. I vaguely recall reading a study of rats as you describe. (or perhaps it is confused with another,cats mabe? I’ve read so many over the last few years they are running together)
Dr. Pottenger was an original thinker and keen observer whose imagination, integrity and common sense gave him the courage to question official dogma. Dedicated to the cause of preventing chronic illness, he made significant contributions to the understanding of the role of nutrition in maintaining good health.
In his classical experiments in cat feeding, more than 900 cats were studied over 10 years. Dr. Pottenger found that only diets containing raw milk and raw meat produced optimal health: good bone structure and density, wide palates with plenty of space for teeth, shiny fur, no parasites or disease, reproductive ease and gentleness.
Cooking the meat or substituting heat processed milk for raw resulted in heterogeneous reproduction and physical degeneration, increasing with each generation. Vermin and parasites abounded. Skin diseases and allergies increased from 5% to over 90%. Bones became soft and pliable. Cats suffered from adverse personality changes, hypothyroidism and most of the degenerative diseases encountered in human medicine. They died out completely by the fourth generation.
The changes Pottenger observed in cats on the deficient diets paralleled the human degeneration that Dr. Price found in tribes that had abandoned traditional diets.
Thank you for your links to the FoodWeb. I started reading them and then saved them in a folder for my wife (the gardener) to read.
The info is comprehensive, well-written and easy for me to read (once I’d copied it over into Word and enlarged it). The captions for the Microscope Pictures to the right were informative too. Great material for those who want to improve what they take from their gardens – nevermind their farms or dairies.
Lykke,
Farmers have been soil testing through private labs for a long time.I don’t want this information in order to convince you of anything,that would be a foolish waste of my time. Believe it or not,up until the last 5 years,soil scientists did not even consider the study of the life in the soil as part of soil science.Now they are beginning to recognize that many of the properties of soil that they studied(like soil structure) are a direct result of the activity of living organisms in the soil.Organic farmers are way ahead of the scientists on this.Now some private labs are beginning to include an evaluation of the abundance and diversity of the life in a sample of soil.This is very useful information for people who are interested in a sustainable way to grow food.The lab can tell us if our soil is out of balance with regard to bacteria vs fungi for example. Then we know what corrective steps we can take.
I’m not the least bit interested in convincing you or anyone else about the importance of healthy soil in producing healthy food.I want to understand how to produce healthy nutritious food so that the children of my community will be healthy and think clearly.Those clear thinking young people will see through all of the BS that politicians and regulators throw around.I hope you are actually learning some real skills so that you aren’t lost when your present job becomes irrelevant.
Should we require that all vegetables be cooked before being sold to reduce the risk of illness? Likewise with meat? Contaminated vegetables and meat kill many more people than contaminated milk.
If your answer is no, then why should we single out raw milk to be cooked before being sold?
I would never drink raw milk from a CAFO dairy. The risk would be too great. We need to find ways to make food safer without destroying the quality of the food. Raising healthy happy animals is an important key to minimizing risk of pathogenic contamination of animal foods. Most CAFOs raise sick animals that are heavily stressed and serve as hosts for all sorts of pathogens. This is where we need to focus for food safety, not cooking milk from pastured and contented healthy cows or goats.
http://7thspace.com/headlines/312826/usda_secretary_vilsack_announces_healthy_garden_workshop_series_at_the_peoples_garden.html
June 26 – Gardening From the Ground Up: Improving Your Soil
you continue to avoid any mention of that system and solely focus on raw milk and your clear message that it must be banned until it can be proven 100% safe. even though there is no such thing as a 100% safe food. how can you justify such an untenable position?
you continue to dodge the questions asked of you.
you are the absess it seems.
but like any pathagon i suspose it’s world view is from the pathagons viewpoint.
you guys need to realize that we are the host. we’ll eventually have to decide to eliminate the pathagon/parasite/infection or die ourselves. how long do you think it will be? during our lifetime? sooner? later? never? now?…
Sir Liam Donaldson warned of a" health time bomb" – particularly among CHILDREN!
Who bares most of the blame? NOT RAW DAIRY NOR NATURAL FOODs but the phoods DESIGNED by the evil so called food scientists and phood engineers and their paymasters at the approved phood manufacturers. Where are the dogooders and regulators have they been told DO NOT INVESTAGATE? Are the phood manufactures to big to fail?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article6591291.ece
It only makes sense, if the soil is healthy then what is grown in it will be healthier. I don’t recall where or when I read that if the crops aren’t rotated, the soil becomes depleted of its nutrients even with tossing manure on it, is not enough. I didn’t know the details of basic farming, only that it worked. If the soil is lacking in something, the plants will eventually show you.
http://www.thinkchangeindia.org/2009/06/14/natural-farming-gaining-momentum/
In the last five to six decades, we have inflicted irreparable damage to the lands as a result of which agricultural output is declining. This method rejuvenates the land, which directly increases the food output. Instead of worrying about what to do to the land, we have to think about what not to do, Kailash concludes."
"http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102893816
They have to buy three times as much fertilizer as they did 30 years ago to grow the same amount of crops. They blitz their crops with pesticides, but insects have become so resistant that they still often destroy large portions of crops."
American farmers were screwed by big ag.
When people are packed into prisons, nursing homes or any other close quarters, the potential for disease increases; no one needs a degree to figure that out. The same happens when animals are confined.
We’ve used compost for years, never thought of making a "tea" with it.
I am now at war with thistles on my farm. These things are absolute man-killersvigorous growers and covered with countless tiny daggers. Interestingly, each one I dig out has one or two, sometimes three, very large earthworms in the root ball. Why? The answer gives us one of the clues to soil health.
Thistles have a long tap root, naturally doing to soil what every farmer needs (whether he knows it or not). The root brings up nutrients from beneath the topsoil, breaks up compacted soil, creates more ready admission of water and to some degree even air, and helps balance the soils microbial colonies. Earthworms appear there because the soil is simply better. The worms then do their part to further balance and improve the ground. When earthworms are present in large numbers it is a very good sign!
It is extremely reasonable to theorize that a nutrient-laden soil dense with appropriate microbial life would impart its strength to whatever feeds off it. Test this theory! And until the test results come back, avoid all impulses to ignore soil life.
For the past several years, small farmers have been raided for raising raw milk. When discussion takes place regarding this, and it is said that government agencies are sabatoging small farmers, Lykke calls this "conspiracy theory." He/she says that they are being "ignored." Okay, where have you been? This kind of belittling and condescending argument doesn’t belong in this discussion. Tell the farmers who were taken away in handcuffs that they were being ignored. I’d like to see you try that.
Now the terms, "Gawd" and the visual of lancing an abcess are used. Do you think anyone here has been enlightened because of you? Excuse me, but I have assisted doctors in lancing abcesses by the bedside, nearly passing out for all the pus, and a vet lancing an animal abcess. I don’t think it correlates to this discussion, and it is a disgusting suggestion. That also does not belong in a discussion on studies vs. the current status quo in food regulation.
Food regulation policy is clearly outdated, and is not working. The idea of creating new kinds of studies is a great one.
Just leave the condescention and visual out of it, please. The "honey, don’t embarrass yourself," types of comments don’t belong in this discussion. Nobody is all-knowing, especially the people who think they are. The winners write history – doesn’t mean they were "correct," nor "ethical." It means they had the muscle. The human race is set back each time as a result. Just because a big dope kills a smart little guy and gets to live, doesn’t mean we are better off for it.
I admit the offending comment was inappropriate and was written in reaction to HB’s attack (which I should have ignored). Oh well, looks like we have results from this experiment: hands thrown in the air and leaving the room.
you are using tactics akin to those the fbi and cia and nsa et el often employ. a most recent example being used by the usda talking tour is clearly described by many. a room full of guards, usda employees not wearing name tags (while they are required for all citizens). a very popular tactic is to use a plant, a person who is instructed to create trouble / outbursts / etc… to give the group a bad name or disrupt meaningful progress / organization / action…
you as a pawn for tptb may just be so programed by your job description / world view / eliteist view or whatever provide that function here. if you’re doing it under orders / advice then i really would find you evil and corrupt.
1. i doubt you’ll leave here unless your replacement is on the way.
2. i don’t think you’re here to contribute anything positive…. go back and read you’re past posts to understand why.
3. you’re here as a tool to attempt to derail / re-direct or otherwise inhibit progress here… which speaks volumes imo. this blog has some littlebit of potential power from a grass roots level. i.e miguel, milk farmer, dave, david, gwen, gail , mark, and many others…. all smart, well spoken, plain to the point, easy to understand…. real people who can take apart the propaganda and dogma and understand what is wrong with the system and all offer valid views on what’s needed to fix it.
in other words, sites like this blog might really make a difference and plant the seeds of change. the fda is afraid of that… who else is?
anyway, if you do leave it won’t be because of me it will be because you have shot yourself in the foot so many times that you can’t continue on.
i’m just the observer in the back calling out "bullshit" when i hear / see it.
Raw milk sustains farmers, but it’s still hard to find by Tom Meade
Milk sold for pasteurization to the FEDERAL milk pool brings LESS than a dollar a gallon to the farmers. HMMM are the FEDERALES CAUSING the present dairy crisis since there appears to be NO FREE MARKET?
How precious is freedom perhaps ask the dairy farmers!
This blog is not my only source of news by far, and not my only venue for discussion. It IS often the first source. It also very often in the discussion presents alternative ways of viewing such news. That news often comes around more slowly in other old fashioned ways though, and I lived and breathed before the internet.
The June discussion in Ohio Farm Bureau was on "Social Media." The concern behind the topic was PETA and HSUS using online venues very successfully. I am the only person in my council who regularly educates themselves in this manner online. Most members were skeptical that social media was important to the farmer, but admitted there was a lot they wouldn’t know about if I hadn’t been telling them. There are, however, topics that never come up in this blog, that I likewise learn about from sources other than those online. Every member at the council meeting expressed frustrations with the kind of conversations that happened in forums such as this.
Ohio just had a resolution supported by Ohio Farm Bureau Federation pass both the House and Senate to go on the November ballot, to create a "Livestock Care Standards Board." This board is being created to preempt activities of PETA and HSUS who have had a success in California and are allegedly turning sights to my home state.
http://ofbf.org/news-and-events/news/321/
Egg, milk and meat production are all concerns. My attention diversion, if it really happens, won’t be to the benefit of the FDA. Quite the opposite.
I love you brother….but…do not spend your precious time on negative crap. We need to use our energies to motivate and educate. Do not be distracted by those that try to suck good energy from our souls. They do not even know what an immune system is.
Pity them.
Hey…last night I spent four hours at the Berkeley Sailing Club ( OCSC ) where 40 people were invited to be part of a better future. The discussion was about funding films that expose FDA corruption, show how communities can grow local foods and other food activist subjects and yes….raw milk.
The news papers and writers were there, doctors were there, nurses were there, film makers were there, lots of good and consciuos people were there. CP and Lykke were not there.
Lets be there!!!
Share the good news and spend our energies teaching and building. Pastuerized dead food is a part of the problem and Lykke and CP are getting paychecks for spreading old dogma and continuing the problem. When ever change happens the paradigm in power will fight to their bankrupt death to protect their cash flows and power base as it shrivels and weakens and they reinvent themselves or die off. CP and Lykke are part of this shrill and ever more irrelevant voice.
Pastuerized dairy products strike again…Salmonella survives pastuerization.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Dunkin-Donuts-pulls-drinks-in-apf-3714161232.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=2&asset=&ccode=
On July 17th the most prominent doctor at Valley Childrens Hospital in Fresno CA will be interviewed as a part of a feature film documentary about " whole foods and raw milk" and will become a part of history. He prescribes Raw Milk to all of his pediatric patients just as it is mentioned and described on the NIH FDA website. I am so tickled….this will bust the FDA and their sterile food loving cronies. A medical doctor following FDA and NIH guidelines using natural raw milk to heal and cure child hood immune related diseases. This is going to be great!!
I am so excited.
Hugh and everyone…ignor the negative….it is just negative Karma points. They will meet their maker and plead ignorant or stupid. We know better. Lets be the change.
Mark McAfee
from what i know peta is about as bad as a bent special interest group can get. their mission is to remove all animals from domestication.
peta wants no animal products used, peta uses frightening tactics to forward their agenda. peta hides behind many logos, sucking in unaware folks to contribute money to save animals. peta doesn’t spend a dime saving animals. peta does spend some money killing animals they have seized.
peta is one of the big problems that must be countered, but we’re all so cowed we believe reason and political correctness will acheive a balance.
peta wants no balance. peta wants what peta wants, damn the torpedos.
so many people can’t even imagine, never mind believe what these groups do.
it’s my firm opinion that they need to be smacked back and convinced that we simply won’t put up with their insanity and control over other peoples freedoms and liberties.
i’m all for animal welfare and i believe in treating animals with great respect for their natural lives.
we keep laying hens in small free range flocks with a few roosters. but not usda "freerange" specs, which are a warehouse with 10-20 thousand chickens "free" on the floor and a tiny 1′ x 1′ door on one end of the building to a small dirt pen outside. every morning and evening workers walk the floor and pick up the dead birds smothered or trampled by the horidly overcrouded conditions.
our hens really are free, about 100 in a flock free to roam acres of open pasture, free to roost in their 12×50′ mobile house and free to go broody and hatch eggs if they like. our hens seperate into 3-4 sub-flocks during the day and come back together in the evening.
our cows really are happy herds of 3-5 cows. each herd has 3-5 acres of pasture and a clean straw bedded stall 12’x12′ for bad weather. bad weather includes fly season (green heads are pretty bad here), heavy rain, heat, cold. our calves are raised with their momas and she fosters a "dairy bull calf" born a day or so after her own calf was born.
this isn’t good enough for peta. peta doesn’t want us to eat any animal. peta wants them all "set free" to return to their "wild" state. where in the world these animals would live is a question peta hasn’t answered yet.
fight peta? they lie, cheat and steal to get their way. how can you win if you’re going to be politically correct and gentle and reasonable…. they’ll walk right over you using their duped membership to do it.
imo more people need to get mad as hell and refuse to back down even a little bit. nothing less will temper these wacko’s who think they can decide whats best for everyone else.
BTW, I don’t recall getting an invitation to the Berkeley Sailing Club – bummer, sounds like fun. Who’s doing the film – Michael Moore, lol?
I would like to invite you to be interviewed at OPDC on Friday July 17th at 1700 hours. You can be a part of a movie being produced about FARM RAIDS and how unjust they are. A film crew will be here and I am inviting you to please come and get to know me and be apart of this historic film. Sorry I missed you for sailing and sharing the vision for a better food future for us all.
I am impressed that you want more from the regulatory-production and raw milk consumer relationships. Please come and do something about it.
You can even use your stage name if you like. I will show you our test systems and food safety plan. No other dairy has one that I know of. I am reaching out to you….no joke. if you like you can speak with 100 farmers market consumers on Sat morning in Fresno and figuer out why normal people are completely crazy for raw milk.
Perhaps it is because their IBS is gone or their gut feels so much better or their asthma is so much better. If you would like to meet the Chief of Medicine at VCH and listen to his interview hear about the research he references when prescribing raw milk please call me and I can arrange that also. 1-877 RAW MILK and ask for me. Perhaps then you can come to understand the very reasonable risk ( approaching nil ) people take so that they can take control of their immune systems and live healthy lives with out drugs and side effects killing them.
All the best,
Mark
Thanks for the invite. Who’s doing the movie? No joke, I won’t participate if it is Michael Moore.