Sylvia Gibson poses a recurring question following my previous post: Why is it that our regulators and legislators come down so hard in following up on illnesses from raw milk, but do nothing when people become sick and even die from other foods like cold cuts, jalepeno peppers, and pasteurized milk?

I wish I could say it’s all payoffs by agribusiness; while that may be a factor (the payoffs being in the form of campaign contributions and highly paid lobbyists), I think it’s more complicated. Some parts of the answer can be seen in the back-and-forth between Mark McAfee of Organic Pastures Dairy Co. and a number of readers—following my previous post and my Dec. 29 post.

I’ve been a big supporter of Mark since I came to know him during the September 2006 shutdown of his dairy by state and federal regulators. I admire his courage in standing up to the state and federal regulators who have tried to drive him, and other smaller producers, out of business—not because I automatically oppose the regulators, but because the regulators have been uneven, and even unethical, in their enforcement of regulations affecting food-borne illness. One of the big reasons the regulators dislike Mark so passionately is because he stands up to them.

Yet one of the things that stands out to me in the latest back-and-forth between Mark and Elizabeth McInerney, Observer, and Concerned is the ideological nature of Mark’s comments. When you are beholden to an ideology, then there is no way to admit weaknesses in your beliefs.

So Mark argued, among other things, that that there have been no complaints to the state about his products, that there have been no pathogens detected in his animals, and that pathogens aren’t really pathogens to people who build up immunity to them. Similarly many would argue that the Weston A. Price Foundation in many of its arguments—especially its denial of the possibility that raw milk could have lead to illnesses at Dee Creek and Organic Pastures—is ideological as well.

To his credit, Mark eventually admitted in his most recent comments following my previous post that some of the arguments on his web site may be inappropriate, and says he’s removing them.

The fact that Mark and the Weston A. Price Foundation tend toward the ideological is unfortunate. But even more unfortunate is that the people Mark battles with—the California Department of Food and Agriculture, the California Department of Public Health, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control—are equally ideological. They continue to argue that unpasteurized milk is a more serious health menace than pretty much any other food around, and thus must be eliminated via all available means—regulatory harassment, legislative restrictions, and propaganda–as part of an ever-more-sanitized food system. Yet we know the arguments about the extreme dangers of raw milk are untrue by virtue of the fact that hundreds of thousands of people consume the product every day without becoming sick and because data show relatively few illnesses each year from raw milk.

They refuse to take part in serious public discussions and debate, as we saw clearly in the year-long battle played out in California over the ten-coliform-per-milliliter standard for raw milk that was secretly pushed through the legislature in late 2007. Then, though Mark managed to lead an effort to change the standard via compromise and discussion, the regulators refused discussion and the governor vetoed the change without engaging in any kind of dialog.

But this is the nature of ideological arguments. They aren’t worked through in an atmosphere of understanding and compromise. They are battles, with every piece of data and every example of sickness or recovery around raw milk seen as a piece of propaganda, to be used or misused in an ongoing war.

Yet, the question persists: If Mark and the Weston A. Price Foundation were less ideological, would it make a difference to the regulators and legislators? Would the establishment respond differently if Mark refrained from labeling the FDA as “corrupt” and passing around prescription slips for raw milk at farmers markets, or would it simply interpret a more conciliatory approach as a sign of weakness, and perhaps press its harassment efforts even harder?

Elizabeth wants to see more of an effort at conciliation, as she says so well to Mark: “You might be one of the leaders of this movement, but it is my movement too, and I’m afraid that in your zeal to promote OP, you will end up screwing it up for the rest of us.”

To which Mark responds: “As blogging observers and writers, please take a deep breath and consider that OPDC is under a microscope (literally like no other dairy) and we try our damned best. If you embrace choice and raw milk, try supporting OPDC as your champion. Critical bashing is just that.”

I’m not sure I’ve answered Sylvia’s question, but hopefully begun to frame the problem. Ideological battles usually end when one side or the other gives up or just collapses from exhaustion.

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There’s lots of interesting discussion going on about food regulation at The Ethicurean, in response to a very favorable, almost fawning, assessment of food poison lawyer Bill Marler.

The Ethicurean writer seems to have allowed herself to become charmed by Marler’s glib explanations of why he supports local food producers. But Marler has a lot of difficulty accepting the criticism that, for all his suggestions that he supports local food producers, he really sees all producers as the same from a legal perspective, and doesn’t want to see meaningful regulatory adjustments made for smaller producers.
His difficulty handling criticsim comes out following the second comment on the Ethicurean post, from Sam Spade, who captures the Marler problem real well. To which Marler responds, (and I’m partially paraphrasing here): “You don’t know me…You don’t understand how much I care…” It comes across as dismissive, in a cavalier way. People who really do care will discuss any criticism, try to rebut, show inaccuracies or illogical thinking, and allow that possibly some of what the critic has to say holds merit.