I found myself challenged a couple days ago on Facebook by an ardent Canadian food rights supporter after I disputed her suggestion that Joe Biden won the American presidency because of voter fraud. “You’ve tossed your lot in with a strange crowd, David. You really need to reconsider which side of the fence you’re on. I’ve always been puzzled by your support for raw milk freedom on the one hand but your proclivity to support socialism on the other.”
Well, that led into a back-and-forth in which I expressed support for the rule of law over the rule of a strongman, and she said she was for liberty over the rule of law.
There has been lots written already about how the presidential election didn’t feature a strong mandate for Joe Biden, especially since he’ll likely have to deal with a Republican Senate. That may be, yet I still think the election was a huge deal for democracy in the U.S., because a loss by Biden would have very likely led America much further down the road of authoritarian rule. As just one major example, Donald Trump had made clear his disdain for mail-in voting, and the democratic participation it encouraged during a pandemic.
There’s no doubt in my mind that this election would have been America’s last free and open election for many years if Trump had been re-elected. A major goal of any authoritarian leader is to avoid elections or, if they are held, to make them so restrictive that they are democratic in name only.
How can I be so sure? Because Trump had taken any number of other actions completely contrary to the U.S. Constitution and related precedent; for example, ignoring Congressional subpoenas and failing to spend appropriated funds as directed by Congress. There was plenty more, of course–the encouragement of white supremacy organizations, the racist put-downs of outspoken women of color, the idolization of Russian strongman Vladimir Putin and other dictators, and so on and so forth.
My involvement in food rights has always been predicated on my concern for larger rights. To the extent we are deprived from choosing the foods we wish to nourish ourselves with, we are threatened with the loss of other rights. The issue as it plays out with respect to access to raw milk and farm-slaughtered meat has actually become less intense in recent years, perhaps as concerns for other freedoms has grown.
A democratic system relies in significant measure on a certain amount of good will by politicians. Once that evaporates, there is no way to force accommodation; for example, the U.S. House of Representatives never had a way to force Trump advisers to testify before Congressional committees once he ordered his advisers to refuse. Judges might issue decisions in favor of testimony, but those came months after the event, and were ignored as completely as the original subpoenas.
And that begins to explain the spontaneous celebrations that broke out across the U.S. yesterday once the major media networks called the election for Joe Biden. Never before in American history, that I am aware of, had Americans celebrated an election result with such an outpouring of spontaneous joy. It certainly wasn’t because Biden is such a charismatic or exciting figure. No, it was a celebration of relief, a recognition that we had come oh so close to losing our precious democracy, and that once lost, it takes years to recover, if recovery is even possible. This isn’t to say we are out of the woods in terms of hanging onto our freedoms. When divisions are as wide and opinions as divided and discussion as heated as it routinely has become, the political volatility is potentially threatening.
But for now, we seem to have dodged a bullet. The military has remained on the sidelines. And the heavy participation in the election process–something like 70% of voters are estimated to have taken part in the presidential election–suggests a ramping up of political participation in the future. That has to be positive, because it’s been apathy and discouragement that has allowed the forces of authoritarian politics to advance as far as they have. So for now, it’s as if a load has been lifted from America’s collective psyche.
Beau of the Fifth Column brilliantly breaks it down how important it is for us to realize just how close we came. Had 45 been more subtle about his intentions and less of a braying ass broadcasting his (and his controllers’) intentions, the public would not have caught on, as it did. The next autocrat won’t make that mistake. I liken this to the way “they” learned not to broadcast over television the military caskets coming home from the Viet Nam War, which led to the public reviling the war and pushing for its end. In short, we cannot go back to sleep.
Let’s talk about pardoning President Trump, by Beau of the Fifth Column. https://youtu.be/c66IQQrmXeo
As a foreigner, sitting in Europe, I can only express the same sigh of relief that David expresses. I think that never beore has the whole World followed an election in USA more closely. And never before have the whole world rejoiced as much about vice-president Biden taking on the future role of US president and thus showing that democracy works. Here in Europe we do not see a link between food and living choices and political affiliation. We have no problem caring for the poor, while assuring that we can keep enjoying heritage traditional foods. Nor do we mix politics with religion or beliefs. I think that those of you reading the blog that feels that politics or religion have anything to do with your choice of living conditions or food need to now take some time and carefully consider how you got those thoughts intertwined, and if they are valid.
USA will now have the ability to restore a lot of damaged relations worldwide, and hopefully restore the international reputation that has been destroyed the last few years. The planet is also a bit more hopefully, since nature does not do politics, and will ultimately be destroyed by us humans, unless we do serious Changes in our current way of life.
Yes, Europe does take its democracy seriously, and keeps issues in their rightful place. Maybe because it fought so many pointless wars over the past few centuries, it has learned to work out problems peacefully, respect differing opinions, not go to war so easily. America had come to take its democracy for granted….until Trump came along. Hopefully, he has taught us a few lessons that will prevent another slide toward authoritarian rule.
Gumpert . Trump was pro raw milk. Look it up. Im going to laugh my ass off if the raw milk industry in Calif. gets shutdown with your new leader under some new fed law that is covid related.
Greg, the only person to write about Trump’s interests in raw milk and healthy food has been me…..look it up.
When Trump was running for president in 2016, there were excited rumors among some in the raw milk community that he was a secret raw milk drinker in Florida. I checked it out and, low and behold, found that not only was he NOT a raw milk drinker, but his favorite food was…. fast food. Here is the post I did separating rumor from fact:
https://www.davidgumpert.com/raw-milk-fantasies-americas-new-cult-personality
Then, last year, the Trump administration became the first ever to try to ban private food clubs:
https://www.davidgumpert.com/trump-admin-touts-first-ever-legal-campaign-against-private-food-clubs
Then there was this from another outlet, about Trump’s love affair with fast food:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fast-food-fan-president-donald-trump-chows-fast/story?id=60375831
Then there’s the fact that the Trumps has Michelle Obama’s organic vegetable garden, which supplied the White House, bulldozed. Yeah, sure he “supports” raw milk. He doesn’t care about health, healthy food, or health-care, except as a political fight.
amen David
I felt such a relief hearing Joe Biden won. Hoping that somehow Americans can come together and all of us work for the common good.
Church bells ringing in Paris. Fireworks in London
Dear Cat,
I too have been talking with friends in EU and UK.
I totally agree with your words and sentiments.
The world breaths a deep sigh of relief.
Germany in 1939 is avoided as we all contemplate how in the hell a psychopath madman transfixed, hypnotized and led this cult of autocracy.
This could very well be a side effect of the customized protocol driven internet information system. Computer protocols now drive how each of us are exposed to information. Computers now know what we each of us want and like and feed us that information on a customized and individual basis. Money is made in this process.
Time to rethink information and how we gain our information and make decisions.
For me…. it’s about finding the human heart ❤️
I completely agree–big sigh of relief.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/world/europe-celebrates-biden-win-with-fireworks-church-bells.amp
World wide happiness.
in Poland, they say “he laughs. He has not yet heard the bad news”.
The thing about the antichrist mixed multitude, is > they always overstep demselves. Clarence Thomas has a score to settle with Joe Biden, from ‘way back when Biden did his utmost to prevent Thomas being appointed to the SC of the US of A. Revenge is a dish best eaten cold
Mr Biden is not President. People who think he will be, better think again
Agreed. This is not over. However, if Trump is successful, I fear there will be blood in the streets.
Of course he’s not the president. He’s the president-elect. It doesn’t matter whether Donald likes it or not. His ridiculous legal challenges stand little chance of winning more votes, and definitely not enough to change the outcome.
Interesting how some people think votes for Joe Biden were somehow illegitimate but they accept the votes for Republicans in Congress from the same ballot. If Democrats were able to steal the election, we wouldn’t have left McConnel and Graham in place, that’s for damn sure. (I say “we” but I’m actually a registered Republican who joyfully voted for Biden/Harris. And I’m sure there are good people on both sides.)
LOL Watson!! Thomas is NOT the only SC justice that should NOT be there in the first place, Stick to your Canadien politics and stay out of ours,LMAO!!
David,
I agree when you state, “To the extent we are deprived from choosing the foods we wish to nourish ourselves with, we are threatened with the loss of other rights”. I would add however, to the extent we are deprived from choosing the medical interventions/treatments we wish to encourage healing and good health is equally threatening to overall rights.
I agree with that Canadian woman… if one values human life and liberty your country has “chosen” the worst possible case scenario… a socialist scenario that has historically demonstrated the greatest overall contempt for human rights. As Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn sated at his Commencement address at Harvard University, June 7, 1978, “Socialism of any type leads to a total destruction of the human spirit”.
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris’s unprecedented support for abortion into the ninth month and fund that barbaric procedure with taxpayer dollars is a reflection of how morally degraded your country has become… Mother Teresa sums it up well… “Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love but to use violence to get what they want”. She also stated that abortion “kills the conscience of the mother” I would add however that it also kills the conscience of a nation that encourages and supports such a heinous procedure…
Ken, I usually agree with a lot of what you say, but this time you are “Way Out There”!!!
Relative to what John… the freedom to choose, Socialism or Biden and Harris’ abortion stance?
Totally disagree with your “assumtions”.
I’m thrilled that Trump lost but sad that Biden won. As Obama did, he will also support the big food corporations and poison gmo makers like Monsanto. He might be a little more amenable to keeping certain toxic agricultural chemicals out of production which Trump wanted approved but really, industrial food and health care will still be the rule. They didn’t fund his campaign for nothing.
I really don’t want a European nanny state where even access to simple vitamins is strictly controlled, either.
Bob, don’t think you’re going to see access to vitamins controlled by the government. That’s come up off and on for a dozen years or more, under Dems and Republicans, and it never goes anywhere.
Ken,
I have done some research. There is no evidence anywhere that Biden and Harris support 9 th month abortion. That is pure Bullshit.
The idea that full term babies lives would be terminated is hyper BS and is intended to stir conspiracy and sow division. I am so sick of crap being shared as real information.
I don’t know what Biden and Harris support, but full term babies can be terminated up to the point of birth in some states.
https://www.lifenews.com/2020/02/04/10-states-now-allow-killing-babies-up-to-birth-in-abortions-virginia-could-be-next/.
And note Lynn that the chief executive officers of nine of those ten States are Democrats… Indeed, Governors that are signing into law, directives that are unconscionable and defy common decency…
https://www.businessinsider.com/latest-point-in-pregnancy-you-can-get-abortion-in-50-states-2019-5
Please read your own information. It talks about 20 weeks not 39 weeks. Please become educated and informed.
I do not support late term abortion at all. But being accurate is important.
being accurate most certainly IS important.
believe whatever you prefer, Mr McAffee, in order to keep your conscience cauterized,…. but – in fact – abortions do go on in your state, right up to the very day before birth.
You want us to accept that abortionists pay attention to whatever the law is, in their jurisdiction? It is to laugh.
back in 1995 ( when I was involved in all that stuff ) Life Dynamics of Denton TX, broke the story of human body parts being harvested on demand, with the 1st hand testimony of a nurse who was involved in that grisly business. And you’d better realize that it is an industry. Where do you think they got the TONS of flesh with which the Human Genome Project was done?
as for ‘accuracy’ : your pal Kamala Harris was the AG of California when Daniel Daleiden’s investigation proved that Planned Barrenhood sells parts carved from bodies of unborn human beings. She sent 11 of her thugs ’round to his house to seize all the evidence. After she’d been lobbied by Planned parent-hood, she facilitated Deleiden … who was informing and educating the nation as to what’s really going on … being sued / charged criminally.
the silver lining, is: continually folding-in to this raw milk forum your mis-informed protestations about abortion? ! … demonstrates that your conscience is bothering you. Not entirely seared.
Back in 1992, first time I picketed an abortuary at the PLAN conference in San Antonio, I was voiced I was aghast at the indifference of passersby to the horrible posters we held … photos of babies dismembered by abortion … Bob Tousely said to me “It’s not that they won’t come ’round, it’s that they’re slow to come around”.
And here we are, decades later, as America awakens to what artificial birth control wrought on the nation. Regardless of his flaws, Donald Trump is the most Pro-Life PRESIDENT, ever.
when he’s installed for his 2nd term, we’ll see if you’re a big enough man to admit your mistake.
Did you indeed read the article Mark or did your mind merely process and take note of what it wanted to see??? Medical science states that the unborn baby’s heart starts beating at three weeks and one day or 22 days, so I will ask you again “what difference does it make if the child is dispatched during first month or the ninth month”?
Mark, Biden and Harris’ position to reinstating support for planned parenthood is enough proof for me and what difference does it make if it is the first month or the ninth month? That said, I will admit that it is hard to get a bead Biden when it comes to abortion since his position on the topic has evolve dramatically over the years. His latest flip was during his June 2020 debate with Sen. Elizabeth Warren and former Rep. Beto O’Rourke who challenged him on the Hyde Amendment. Consider this Forbes article. …
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/10/06/biden-vows-to-protect-abortion-rights-provoking-harsh-response-from-trump/?sh=5183d8f72051
“Biden’s position on reproductive rights has shifted throughout his political career. In a 1974 interview with Washingtonian, Biden, a practicing Catholic, criticized Roe v. Wade. “I don’t like the Supreme Court decision on abortion. I think it went too far. I don’t think that a woman has the sole right to say what should happen to her body,” Biden said. According to Axios, he voted several times, including in 1983, to prevent federal employees from obtaining abortion services through their health insurance. In 2006, in an interview with Texas Monthly, the former Vice President stated, “I’m a little bit of an odd man out in my party,” adding, “I’ve made the groups—the women’s groups and others—very angry because I won’t support public funding and I won’t support partial-birth abortion.” In 2007, during an appearance on Meet the Press, Biden was asked whether he supported a ban on partial-birth abortions or late-term abortions. “I did, and I do,” he replied. During the Vice Presidential debate against Paul Ryan in October of 2012, Biden stated, “I accept church rule personally, but not in public life.” During a debate in 2019, Biden said, “Reproductive rights are a constitutional right. And, in fact, every woman should have that right.””
From the Weston A Price Institute
The Constitutional Challenge on the right of Canadians to choose raw milk will be heard November 16th to 20th 2020. Five days with a lot of expert evidence
Court is in session 10 am to 4 pm each day.
Proceedings will be via Zoom or something similar
Confirm you would like to attend by sending a quick reply to
ourfarmcoop at gmail dot com
With the subject line saying Count Me In
Elissa vanderHoot at Glen Colton Farms
Like!
You folks might want to take time to listen what this fella has to say about the Presidential election protocol in your country…
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1yNGaBbWqNQJj?t=44s&fbclid=IwAR1sHR0oW97x9hDxvTRV15svUlRDmZkfzNNBa-1LwduYtoW4iNnin3JEwnA
I agree with every word you wrote here, David. Thank you.
Totally agree with you Shana Milkie!!
David, if you support the rule of law, then you need to support fair elections. And you the evidence that this election was not fair is considerable. See “There is Undeniable Mathematical Evidence the Election is Being Stolen” 11/5/20 article at https://theredelephants.com
Lynn, That actually is quite laughable, I been through 12 presidential elections, and this one is really no different than any other one, Except, Trump will NOT accept his defeat, hope he doesn’t go so far as to have U.S. Marshalls escort him from the Whitehouse. IF, he has any intentions of running again, he really,really should accept his defeat with grace and dignity, instead of acting like an insolent toddler.
John….
Totally agree with you.
Vote for Trump or not. He is acting like a baby or worse Literally having a temper tantrum.
In my heart of hearts I would love to see Trump continue his tantrum until January 21st.
Biden will be sworn in by the functional government process and all of the Trump Coupe partners will bd rounded up by Marshall’s
That act will signal to the conscious world that Trump is mentally ill and should not ever run for office or be taken seriously ever again.
He will be very lucky to not be charged with treason.
He is a nut case extraordinaire. He cares about one thing. Himself. He could care less about America or even his own reputation.
Voters have spoken. Our system has worked.
Let him play this out. It confirms that he is bat shit crazy. All Of those that follow him will soon see this more and more clearly.
Lynn, you seem like a smart person, as do many of the people being sucked into this Trump narrative of fraudulent voting. The only way I can think to respond, in addition to what John D. and Mark have said, is to take a look back at other narratives Trump has launched, beginning with the one in 2014 that Barack Obama wasn’t really born in the U.S., and thus was illegally serving as president (this was the narrative that helped launch his political career). Then there was the one about Hillary Clinton being guilty of all kinds of crimes–he said in one of their debates that if he was president he would “lock her up,” and he led chants of “lock her up.” There was also a narrative about the Democratic party server with all kinds of secrets that had been taken to Ukraine–Rudy Giuliani was sent to find it, and Trump offered the president of the Ukraine American weapons if he would help find it. Last, but not least (this definitely isn’t an all-inclusive list) was Trump’s contention that millions of fraudulent votes were cast in 2016, which explained (to him) why Hillary won the popular vote by 2.5 million votes. He even formed a presidential commission to investigate.
What happened? Obama’s birth certificate showed what he had repeatedly asserted–that he was born in Hawaii. Hillary was investigated every which way, but not a single legal charge was ever filed against her, despite the fact Trump had control of the federal law enforcement apparatus. Last I heard, Giuliani is still searching around Ukraine–no sign of the server. And the presidential commission investigating vote fraud from the 2016 election? Trump disbanded it after 11 months after it failed to come up with anything of substance.
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2018-01-10/trump-commision-on-election-integrity-found-no-evidence-of-voter-fraud
The Atlantic put it well a few days ago. These narratives are designed to denigrate our democratic institutions and they aren’t random. “Now his political, financial, and maybe even emotional strategy requires him to damage America’s faith in its democracy further. He is launching that strategy right now. And to be clear: It is a strategy, not a random reaction to events. Trump is no good at governing, but he has long understood, with the intuition of a seasoned con man, how to create distrust, and how to use that distrust to his advantage.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/trumps-forever-campaign-is-just-getting-started/617021/
This latest grievance from Trump will very likely wind up where all the others have wound up. By the time it does, Trump and his happy band will be off on some other conspiracy theory to entrance his groupies.
Indeed, the NYTimes has just finished contacting top election officials in every single state, and not one has offered any evidence of fraud or other irregularities.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/politics/voting-fraud.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
David and John Dutcher, I invite you to read this and tell me why anybody can have any confidence in the electoral process, unless they are ignorant or willfully turning a blind eye to reality. https://townhall.com/columnists/williammarshall/2020/11/12/welcome-to-my-third-world-home-may-i-take-your-vote-n2579941
Lynn, if you’re determined to believe a certain narrative, likely no one can talk you out of it. But this from the Associated Press, which employs professional journalists (like yours truly), and looked at some of the supposed examples of illegal activity being bandied about on social media.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-ap-fact-check-pennsylvania-media-social-media-cffc1bf12660177b0c651f98054a3a76
“A look at false and misleading claims and videos that followed voting in the Nov. 3 presidential election. None of these are legit, even though they were shared widely on social media. The Associated Press checked them out. Here are the facts:
Video shows Pennsylvania election workers transcribing damaged ballots
CLAIM: A video shows election workers in Delaware County, Pennsylvania, stamping clean ballots as received and then filling them in, which proves that voter fraud is taking place.
THE FACT: The video, taken from the county’s official livestream, shows an election worker transcribing votes from damaged ballots to clean ballots. Social media users are taking footage from livestreams of the vote count to rapidly spread false information about the close race for president in Pennsylvania. One version of the video used to make the false claim received more than 1 million views on Twitter on Friday. The videos were shared prominently by pro-Trump accounts on Facebook and Twitter. “Nothing to see here‼️Ballots stamped as “received” THEN filled in #VoterFraud,” one tweet said. A post on Facebook sharing the video said, “Delaware County, Pennsylvania, looks like the dude in the black shirt is doing more than just ‘counting ballots’ #trump2020.” In the video, an election worker wearing a black shirt and a black mask can be seen sitting at a table as he transcribes ballots. According to Delaware County election officials, the video was cropped to remove the bipartisan observers watching over election workers from 6 feet away, a distance that was agreed upon by the county Election Bureau and the former Republican chairman of the Delaware County Council. When processing ballots, county officials rely on a machine extractor to open the ballots and some ballots become damaged during the process, preventing them from being scanned. In order to count those votes, the man in the video was manually transcribing the votes from the damaged ballots to a clean ballot so they could be properly scanned. The damaged ballots were positioned next to the new ones for election observers to witness, and they were preserved. Delaware County has been allowing Pennsylvania residents to watch the livestream since they first began streaming the vote count on Nov. 3. “Unfortunately, some residents have altered to video and are making false accusations, which baselessly and wrongly attacks the integrity of the election staff and the completely transparent process by which votes are being counted in Delaware County,” the county said in a statement. Posts online shared at least three different videos of Delaware County election workers to suggest that voter fraud was taking place. The AP confirmed the video with county officials who said they were also transcribing ballots and observers were present.
Ballot-stuffing video was shot in Russia, not Michigan
“CLAIM: Video shows poll workers committing election fraud by stuffing ballots in Flint, Michigan.
“THE FACTS: The video shows poll workers in Russia, not in the United States. It has been circulating online since March 19, 2018, when it was used to support reports of alleged ballot stuffing in Russia’s elections that year. In the video, there are five poll workers in a room. One of them is standing, and can be seen putting ballots into a white box. Later, a woman in a blue shirt can be seen doing the same. Behind them there are two polling booths. On Thursday, social media users began widely sharing the video anew, this time with false claims it was evidence of election fraud in Flint, Michigan. “Here we have staffers stuffing ballots in flint mi,” read a Facebook post shared nearly 2,000 times. However, the original video was not shot in Michigan — or in the United States. It appeared in a Washington Post story about ballot-stuffing in Russia in 2018. There are also context clues that show the video isn’t American: The Russian coat of arms is visible on both the ballot box and on the polling booths.
— Associated Press writers Ali Swenson in Seattle and Abril Mulato in Mexico City contributed this report.
“CLAIM: Votes were eliminated in Arizona and Michigan because people were made to use Sharpie pens to mark their ballots. This caused the tabulation machine to cancel the vote.
“THE FACTS: Following an AP race call early Wednesday that Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden had flipped Arizona, as well as updated vote counts showing Biden in the lead in Michigan, social media posts circulated suggesting votes for Trump were canceled because voters were told to use Sharpies at their polling site. The claims spurred from a viral video from Arizona that shows a woman speaking about how four different polling places were using Sharpies, and a man asking if “those ballots are not being counted” and “are invalid.” “They are invalidating votes is what they are doing,” the man says. “People are coming here to vote for Donald Trump and all those votes are getting invalidated,” he says in the video. But the day of the election, officials had made clear the Sharpies were given out on purpose. The Maricopa County Elections Department tweeted on Election Day that voting centers use Sharpies so that ink does not smudge when ballots are counted. Maricopa County Recorder Adrian Fontes tweeted in response to a voter’s query, “Vote Centers use sharpies for the fastest drying ink, to prevent smudges going through the tabulation equipment,” he said. “This is an upgrade of our new equipment & ballots. Bleed thru does not affect tabulation because the columns are offset & the machines can only read the bubbles.” Sophia Solis, public information officer for the Arizona Secretary of State, said in an email that votes would not be canceled if there was an issue with the ballot. According to the state’s election procedures manual, a ballot review board duplicates ballots which cannot be read by the machine. “This may include crumpled or otherwise damaged ballots, ballots with smudged ink, or ballots which are marked in the wrong color of ink or with a device that cannot be read by the tabulation machine,” the manual states. Yet posts online suggested there was a #sharpiegate conspiracy in Arizona. And in Michigan, social media users falsely claimed, “If you were given a black sharpie marker to fill out your ballot…The machines will successfully count your ballot but not your vote, because the machines only detect black pen ink!” Lisa Posthumus Lyons, the clerk for Michigan’s Kent County, addressed the confusion on Wednesday afternoon. “Sharpies are the preferred device of our election equipment vendor,” she tweeted. “Black or blue pen also acceptable for proper tabulating. Bleed through is not a concern as ballots are programmed to ignore bleed.”
—Associated Press writers Beatrice Dupuy in New York and Jude Joffe-Block in Phoenix contributed this report.
Full Coverage: AP Fact Check
Video does not show votes by dead residents in Michigan
CLAIM: Searches of Michigan’s Voter Information Center show that dead residents voted in the Nov. 3 election, proving there was voter fraud in the recent election.
THE FACTS: A video showing searches of the state’s voter information site were being shared on social media as proof that dead people cast ballots in the 2020 election. It actually showed legitimate voters. The Michigan secretary of state’s office confirmed that ballots of voters who have died are not counted in Michigan. The posts rely on a video that shows names of voters being entered into the Michigan Voter Registration Center. In one video, the name Donna Brydges is entered with a birth date from 1901, which would make her 119 years old. The video then shows that a vote was received from Donna Brydges in Ludington, Michigan, for the Nov. 3 presidential election. “Apparently Donna Brydges (born in 1901) voted via absentee ballot in Mason County, Michigan. That would make her 119 years old!” said a tweet circulating the video along with a claim that it shows fraud in the election. The tweet had more than 19,000 retweets. Ludington is in Mason County. The Associated Press reached out to Brydges, whose contact information was listed in the voting information. She answered the phone and confirmed her identity. She then passed the phone to her husband, who verified that his wife was very much alive, noting, “she’s actually beat me in a game of Cribbage.” In a statement to the AP, Tracy Wimmer, director of media relations for the secretary of state’s office, said that ballots cast by voters who die before Election Day are rejected in Michigan. “On rare occasions, a ballot received for a living voter may be recorded in a way that makes it appear as if the voter is dead,” she said. This can occur for a number of reasons. For example, someone born in 1990 is accidentally recorded as being born in 1890, Wimmer said. “Local clerks can correct the issue when it is brought to their attention,” she said. Several other names were also used online to make the false assertion that dead people were voting. The false claims were shared online with the hashtag #stopthesteal, which has been circulated in recent days to suggest that votes are being stolen from Trump.
— Beatrice Dupuy
Wagon filmed at Detroit vote center held camera gear, not ballots
CLAIM: Video shows a man unloading ballots from a white van and using a red wagon to secretly haul them into Detroit’s ballot-counting center in the middle of the night.
THE FACTS: On Wednesday, as election workers tallied millions of mail-in votes in battleground states including Michigan, right-wing commentator Steven Crowder shared a grainy video of a man unloading something out of a white van, placing it onto a red wagon and lugging it inside Detroit’s TCF Center. “This only creates MORE questions about votes and ballot security concerns in Michigan,” Crowder tweeted. Social media users and conservative websites quickly seized on the video, calling it “highly suspicious” and claiming it showed a man smuggling illegitimate ballots into the facility “in the dead of night.” However, the local news station WXYZ-TV soon clarified the real explanation: The man was one of the station’s photographers, and he was using the wagon to carry his heavy camera equipment. “A conservative ‘news’ site reports catching a man wheeling in ‘suspicious’ equipment to the Detroit convention center, implying it was used to steal ballots,” tweeted Ross Jones, an investigative reporter for WXYZ-TV. “The ‘ballot thief’ was my photographer. He was bringing down equipment for our 12-hour shift.” In its fact check, the station also shared a photo of the wagon holding a Pelican brand camera case with a WXYZ-TV sticker on it.
— Ali Swenson ___
Wisconsin did not count more votes than there are registered voters
CLAIM: Wisconsin has “3,129,000 registered voters,” but counted 3,239,920 votes.
THE FACTS: On Wednesday, as states were continuing to count votes in the U.S. presidential election, multiple false posts circulated on social media claiming that Wisconsin had more votes counted than people registered to vote. “BREAKING: Wisconsin has more votes than people who are registered to vote. Total number of registered voters: 3,129,000. Total number of votes cast: 3,239,920. This is direct evidence of fraud,” one Twitter user claimed. The tweet had over 9,000 retweets. Another Twitter user wrote: “Registered voters in Wisconsin: 3,129,000. Votes counted so far in Wisconsin: 3,170,206. 101% turnout among Wisconsin voters? FRAUDULENT.” Wisconsin, which allows eligible voters to register on Election Day, had 3,684,726 active registered voters as of Nov. 1. That figure does not include people who registered and voted on the same day. By Wednesday afternoon, nearly 3.3 million ballots had been counted in Wisconsin in the presidential race, according to The Associated Press. The United States Census Bureau reported that there were 3,129,000 registered voters during the 2018 midterms.
—Associated Press writer Arijeta Lajka in New York contributed this report.
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Georgia county did not reject 40,000 ballots
CLAIM: Election officials in DeKalb County, Georgia, rejected 40,000 absentee ballots.
THE FACTS: County election officials identified 201 problematic mailed ballots that were rejected, and told the AP all of those voters had been notified. Voters are supposed to have three days after being contacted to correct the issue, usually a problem with the voter’s signature, and the final deadline is Nov. 6. A Georgia state website with information about absentee voting says, “If your ballot was rejected, your county elections office will contact you with a document to “cure” or correct your ballot envelope.” Social media users incorrectly claimed that in DeKalb County, 40,000 such mailed ballots had been rejected and urged voters to call a toll-free hotline run by Georgia’s Democratic party in order to cure their ballots in time to be counted. DeKalb County officials set the record straight on Twitter: “Voters: there is incorrect info circulating regarding the number of DeKalb ballots that need to be cured by Friday. Currently, there are approximately 200 ballots that need to be cured and each voter is being contacted via phone or overnight mail.”
— Jude Joffe-Block
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Video does not show votes by dead residents in Michigan
CLAIM: Searches of Michigan’s Voter Information Center show that dead residents voted in the Nov. 3 election, proving there was voter fraud in the recent election.
THE FACTS: A video showing searches of the state’s voter information site were being shared on social media as proof that dead people cast ballots in the 2020 election. It actually showed legitimate voters. The Michigan secretary of state’s office confirmed that ballots of voters who have died are not counted in Michigan. The posts rely on a video that shows names of voters being entered into the Michigan Voter Registration Center. In one video, the name Donna Brydges is entered with a birth date from 1901, which would make her 119 years old. The video then shows that a vote was received from Donna Brydges in Ludington, Michigan, for the Nov. 3 presidential election. “Apparently Donna Brydges (born in 1901) voted via absentee ballot in Mason County, Michigan. That would make her 119 years old!” said a tweet circulating the video along with a claim that it shows fraud in the election. The tweet had more than 19,000 retweets. Ludington is in Mason County. The Associated Press reached out to Brydges, whose contact information was listed in the voting information. She answered the phone and confirmed her identity. She then passed the phone to her husband, who verified that his wife was very much alive, noting, “she’s actually beat me in a game of Cribbage.” In a statement to the AP, Tracy Wimmer, director of media relations for the secretary of state’s office, said that ballots cast by voters who die before Election Day are rejected in Michigan. “On rare occasions, a ballot received for a living voter may be recorded in a way that makes it appear as if the voter is dead,” she said. This can occur for a number of reasons. For example, someone born in 1990 is accidentally recorded as being born in 1890, Wimmer said. “Local clerks can correct the issue when it is brought to their attention,” she said. Several other names were also used online to make the false assertion that dead people were voting. The false claims were shared online with the hashtag #stopthesteal, which has been circulated in recent days to suggest that votes are being stolen from Trump.
— Beatrice Dupuy
Wagon filmed at Detroit vote center held camera gear, not ballots
CLAIM: Video shows a man unloading ballots from a white van and using a red wagon to secretly haul them into Detroit’s ballot-counting center in the middle of the night.
THE FACTS: On Wednesday, as election workers tallied millions of mail-in votes in battleground states including Michigan, right-wing commentator Steven Crowder shared a grainy video of a man unloading something out of a white van, placing it onto a red wagon and lugging it inside Detroit’s TCF Center. “This only creates MORE questions about votes and ballot security concerns in Michigan,” Crowder tweeted. Social media users and conservative websites quickly seized on the video, calling it “highly suspicious” and claiming it showed a man smuggling illegitimate ballots into the facility “in the dead of night.” However, the local news station WXYZ-TV soon clarified the real explanation: The man was one of the station’s photographers, and he was using the wagon to carry his heavy camera equipment. “A conservative ‘news’ site reports catching a man wheeling in ‘suspicious’ equipment to the Detroit convention center, implying it was used to steal ballots,” tweeted Ross Jones, an investigative reporter for WXYZ-TV. “The ‘ballot thief’ was my photographer. He was bringing down equipment for our 12-hour shift.” In its fact check, the station also shared a photo of the wagon holding a Pelican brand camera case with a WXYZ-TV sticker on it.
— Ali Swenson ___
Wisconsin did not count more votes than there are registered voters
CLAIM: Wisconsin has “3,129,000 registered voters,” but counted 3,239,920 votes.
THE FACTS: On Wednesday, as states were continuing to count votes in the U.S. presidential election, multiple false posts circulated on social media claiming that Wisconsin had more votes counted than people registered to vote. “BREAKING: Wisconsin has more votes than people who are registered to vote. Total number of registered voters: 3,129,000. Total number of votes cast: 3,239,920. This is direct evidence of fraud,” one Twitter user claimed. The tweet had over 9,000 retweets. Another Twitter user wrote: “Registered voters in Wisconsin: 3,129,000. Votes counted so far in Wisconsin: 3,170,206. 101% turnout among Wisconsin voters? FRAUDULENT.” Wisconsin, which allows eligible voters to register on Election Day, had 3,684,726 active registered voters as of Nov. 1. That figure does not include people who registered and voted on the same day. By Wednesday afternoon, nearly 3.3 million ballots had been counted in Wisconsin in the presidential race, according to The Associated Press. The United States Census Bureau reported that there were 3,129,000 registered voters during the 2018 midterms.
—Associated Press writer Arijeta Lajka in New York contributed this report.
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Georgia county did not reject 40,000 ballots
CLAIM: Election officials in DeKalb County, Georgia, rejected 40,000 absentee ballots.
THE FACTS: County election officials identified 201 problematic mailed ballots that were rejected, and told the AP all of those voters had been notified. Voters are supposed to have three days after being contacted to correct the issue, usually a problem with the voter’s signature, and the final deadline is Nov. 6. A Georgia state website with information about absentee voting says, “If your ballot was rejected, your county elections office will contact you with a document to “cure” or correct your ballot envelope.” Social media users incorrectly claimed that in DeKalb County, 40,000 such mailed ballots had been rejected and urged voters to call a toll-free hotline run by Georgia’s Democratic party in order to cure their ballots in time to be counted. DeKalb County officials set the record straight on Twitter: “Voters: there is incorrect info circulating regarding the number of DeKalb ballots that need to be cured by Friday. Currently, there are approximately 200 ballots that need to be cured and each voter is being contacted via phone or overnight mail.”
— Jude Joffe-Block
Find all AP Fact Checks here: https://apnews.com/APFactCheck
And this just out: Department of Homeland Security, run by Trump, reported this election “the most secure in American history.” Guess they didn’t get the memo. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8944631/Federal-agencies-overseeing-election-security-say-secure-American-history.html
Lynn M, I read some of that article, then I noticed it is an “opinion” piece, really no facts, just opinion.
John, are you discrediting the article merely because it is an opinion piece or do you have reliable evidence to constructively counter the writer’s argument?
Would the Chair of the Federal Election Commission hold any weight with you?
https://times.ky/voter-fraud-is-taking-place-chair-of-the-federal-election-commission-trey-trainor
Ken, this video was done during the counting of ballots many days previous. Trenor says it is his opinion. Much more important than any opinions he, you, or I express, judges have thus far nearly unanimously rejected the Trump campaign suits alleging fraud. This from today’s NYTimes:
“President Trump suffered multiple legal setbacks in three key swing states on Friday, choking off many of his last-ditch efforts to use the courts to delay or block President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory.
“In quick succession, Mr. Trump was handed defeats in Pennsylvania, Arizona and Michigan, where a state judge in Detroit rejected an unusual Republican attempt to halt the certification of the vote in Wayne County pending an audit of the count.
“The legal losses came as Mr. Biden was declared the victor in Georgia and a day after an agency in the president’s own Department of Homeland Security flatly contradicted him by declaring that the election “was the most secure in American history” and that “there is no evidence” any voting systems malfunctioned.
“On Friday, 16 federal prosecutors who had been assigned to monitor the election also directly debunked claims of widespread fraud, saying in a letter to Attorney General William P. Barr that there was no evidence of substantial irregularities.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/us/politics/trump-loses-election-lawsuits.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
One more thing John, if Biden is indeed inaugurated on January 20th then and only then will I accept him as duly elected and I would hope that the Republican Party does likewise and not engage I the disruptive infantile shenanigans that the Democrats persisted with during the four years of Trumps Presidency…
For the record, in 2016, Hillary Clinton conceded to Trump the day following the election, even though the results in several swing states were much closer than in this election.
Moreover, Trump was immediately provided all the privileges normally accorded a president-elect, including access to intelligence briefings and an invitation to meet with President Obama at the White House. Joe Biden has been shut out of all that.
This is the first time in modern American history that a president-elect is being put through these sorts of “infantile shenanigans,” as you describe them.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/hillary-clinton-concedes-election-donald-trump-speech
I just hope he does not steal Airforce One as he runs away to Moscow to seek refuge from Treason charges. I don’t think Putin will even have him, but Putin would love to have Airforce One. That’s the kind of stunt that is brewing. Trump is literally crazy. A Jim Jones with 70,000 million Americans under his cultish trance.
Mark,
The most insidious cultist trance ever to exist in the history of world politics is Socialism of which many in this world have fallen victim to its treacherous deceit…
https://www.centerformedicalprogress.org/2020/10/new-video-planned-parenthood-and-kamala-harris-colluded-to-weaponize-ca-video-recording-law-against-disfavored-speech/
The use of the word Socialist to label reforms and conscious progress is a dangerous slope to ski on.
As a country many of our programs are socialist in some form.
Call 911….you get a response from EMS, Fire Departments. These are all funded and provided as a public service paid for by taxes. This is socialist.
Providing food aid after hurricanes or other natural disasters is socialist.
Providing care at hospitals for those with no medical insurance or that are poor… that is socialist.
All of the highest performing countries in the world in Northern Europe are all based on socialist principles. When citizens are polled, they are all highly satisfied.
Education is assured.
Nutrition is assured.
Medical care is assured.
I do agree that the incentive for individual success is important. Each of these countries also provide for this.
Billionaires are not allowed to run crazy and rip off their countries. They pay their fair share.
Hatred of socialist concepts can be labeled as anti humanitarian.
In other words. To hell with others. It’s a ME state.
I am a WE person.
That means everyone gets educated. That means everyone gets a job and has pride in work.
Socialism is not a prerequisite to compassion Mark… In truth, it is a controlling top down enslaving ideology that has historically proven itself to have little respect for individual freedom and property rights and as such has caused a great deal of disparity in the world… Compassion is a virtue that can be applied to any political ideology providing there is a genuine will to overcome human greed and self-centeredness.
Perhaps your definition of socialist needs some reworking.
My friends in Denmark, Sweden, Norway and the Netherlands’s love their cultures and ethical political leadership. It is not authoritarian. The people are represented by elected representatives.
I would strongly suggest rethinking the use of labels like Socialist. Our most recent generation does not carry the baggage from the labels of the past.
Mark I’ve engaged in this discussion many moons ago with Bill Anderson… The “tendency” of socialism is big government with overbearing top down policies at the expense of liberty. Those who have realized that reality take a dim view of such a political ideology.
Will Rogers correctly stated, “Under capitalism man exploits man; under socialism the reverse is true”. Indeed, and anyone that thinks that they can overturn that selfish controlling reality via an idealistic political ideology such as socialism is in for a rude awakening.
As far as Nordic Countries such as Sweden are concerned. It is best to let this Swede do the talking…
https://youtu.be/sAozEkFyuPs
Mark, just curious: Just who elects the “representatives?”
This is very true… “The most nefarious, the most dangerous form of fake news is when the media won’t show you something that goes against its own narrative…” Dave Ruban, The Rubin Report
Not sure where to put this but intersting: … https://www.cornucopia.org/2020/11/nosb-fall-2020-recap/?utm_source=The+Cornucopia+Institute&utm_campaign=63f6337c73-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_11_11_11_48&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_8077b96d0d-63f6337c73-68278007
And this just in :
do us your readers a favor, Mr Gumpert. Please run this rumor to earth. … that the Chairman of the Federal Election Commission is on record pronouncing the election was “illigitimate”?
needless to say – if true – his opinion carries a hell-of-a-lot more weight than just a press release by the Dept. of Homeland Security
In Mr. Gumpert’s business, the word “Illigitimate” in quotation marks, indicates = it’s exactly what Commissioner Trainor said.
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Chairman of the US Federal Election Commission Trey Trainor believes voter fraud is taking place in states still counting ballots and that the 2020 US Presidential Elections is illegitimate.
During a Friday appearance on Newsmax TV’s “National Report,” Trainor said locations not granting observers access to watch the ballot counting process could be involved in voter fraud.
“I do believe that there is voter fraud taking place in these places,” he said. “Otherwise they would allow the observers to go in.”
Despite winning a court order, which allows the Trump campaign to send observers to watch ballot counting in Pennsylvania from six feet away, Trainor said ballot watchers “have not been allowed into the polling locations in a meaningful way.”
He said when observers have been permitted to watch, the goalpost has been moved away from the six feet required by the court order.
“They have not been allowed that meaningful access,” he said, adding there has not been transparency in the election.
“Our whole political system is based upon transparency to avoid the appearance of corruption,” he said pointing out that Pennsylvania and other states are not conducting counting in a transparent manner.
“State law allows those observers to be in there,” he said, adding if the law isn’t being followed then this election is “illegitimate.”
He said the lawsuits filed by the Trump campaign are “very valid allegations” that need to be “fully vetted” by the court system. He predicts some of the legal challenges will likely end up in the Supreme Court.
Earlier, it was revealed that Detroit has more than 2500 zombies (dead people) registered to vote in US elections including “one voter born in 1823″ according to a lawsuit. The lawsuit was filed by the Public Interest Legal Foundation, an organization which has filed lawsuits nationwide seeking to get jurisdictions to keep voter rolls up to date. In December 2019, the foundation filed a federal lawsuit against the city of Detroit alleging it failed to maintain accurate and current voter rolls.
The Deep State has been recently exposed rigging the 2020 US Elections through one of its Crown Agent companies, aptly named Dominion Voting Systems. A so-called computer “glitch” in the voting machines flipping votes during the 2020 US Elections has caused a major controversy. The source and ownership of the voting machines used in the elections has become an urgent issue because of real fears that hackers, whether foreign or domestic, might tamper with the mechanics of the voting system.
However, GreatGameIndia has found that the vendors and not hackers maybe behind the rigging. One of the vendors, a Denver-based Canadian Crown Agent company Dominion Voting Systems has a long history of allegation of election rigging and interference in elections of various nations, including census data theft in India and interference in US Elections of 2020.
Watson,
https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election
“The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history. Right now, across the country, election officials are reviewing and double checking the entire election process prior to finalizing the result.
Mr Dutcher ; you seem to have missed my response to your item ; a press release from the DHS carries no weight in law. The opinion of the head of the federal election commission = that the election is “illegitimate’ – direct quote, does
I recommend you-all pay attention to what Attorney General Barr is saying, and doing. Very carefully, he’s preparing the ground to prosecute those who were part of the grand conspiracy to subvert due process
a guy of his calibre does not proceed without a very good premise. He has in hand thousands of affidavits as EVIDENCE.
I go back so far I recall the tragi-comedy of the election of 2000. For 30 days, your jockey in the race was called = President Elect. Then all of a sudden, he wasn’t! Similarly : when the Supremes hand down their ruling(s) Biden and Harris and the entire Democratic Party machine, will be exposed as the domestic enemies of the Republic which they are
Very humorous Watson, LOL!! As usual you are full of BS.
Trainor also said he thought several of Trump’s lawsuits will end up in the Supreme Court too, and they have ALL been thrown out so far as being ridiculous( Almost as ridiculous as Trump is,LOL) The election is over, Biden won, Trump lost, by at least 5 million votes and no amount of recounts will change those facts!!
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54926084 US election officials have said the 2020 White House vote was the “most secure in American history”, rejecting President Donald Trump’s fraud claims.
“There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised,” a committee announced.
They spoke out after Mr Trump claimed without proof that 2.7 million votes for him had been “deleted”.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/no-evidence-of-voter-fraud-says-federal-election-commission-official/ar-BB1aNhG4
official with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) said Saturday morning there is “no evidence” of voter fraud, instead praising state and local officials and poll workers for running an election during the coronavirus pandemic.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/politics/hovland-trump-election-claims/index.html
A senior federal election security official who was appointed by President Donald Trump has blasted the President’s false post-election claims, calling them “baffling”, “laughable” and “insulting”.
When you hear these words you know it’s a conspiracy filled with Trump Lies:
Fake News
Fox News
Newsmax
Parler.
Real facts….they just don’t matter to the cult.
We now know how Jim Jones convinced Hundreds of people to commit suicide all together while praising god. Cults, America has a huge one right now. It’s the “MAGA Trumpers”.
For some reason some people are not able to critically think or gather information. Instead they follow made up crap.
America has thoroughly embarrassed itself in front of the world.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
Lesson number one.
Don’t ever follow and believe crazy sociopathic people that tell lies. Think for yourself. 918 people died following a cult leader.
We should learn from this lesson.
Our current MAGA cult leader has killed 244,000 and counting. With zero effort to stop the pandemic. In fact he fights efforts to contain it.
I know a cult leader when I see one.
Trump is a Sociopath, a Hitler and a cult leader.
very disappointing to see that you, Mr McAffee, a former paramedic, is entrained in the mass psychosis of the PANIC-demic. Your little rants perfectly illustrate what the term “projection” means, in psychology. If anyone is ‘drinking the cool=ade”, it’s thou.
Strongly recommend you research what really went on in Jonestown. Versus the spin put on it by the CIA
Since Mr Gumpert has indulged Marky’s obsession with Jonestown ( for the 10th time) … ie, that the massacre there in 1975 somehow equates with America today … I am compelled to provide more and better information. I don’t expect him to take it in, yet it’s worthwhile for members of this forum to have a few FACTS with which they may start thinking for demselves : re = the larger issue of credibility of ‘the Legacy Media’ versus ‘noble myths’
Jim Jones’ quote is right up your alley Mark McAffee
“I love social-ism, and I’m willing to die to bring it about, but if I did, I’d take a thousand with me”.
Isn’t that just SO ! appropriate, eh, in the midst of this KronaMadness. And what wonderful counterpoint to your rants about PRESIDENT Trump. For the sake of accuracy – that quote is on a taperecording of a sermon preached by Jones at the Glide Temple in San Francisco
The entire article may be found at the URL
https://www.history.com/news/jonestown-jim-jones-mass-murder-suicide
what’s especially worthwhile in this article, is : accounts by survivors of how Jones dealt with members attempting to flee his socialist utopia. There are lots of folks alive today who recall the bodies in the no-man’s-land between East and West Berlin…shot down fleeing another incarnation of it. But we don’t have to go that far back, or half way round the world. Venezuela this very hour, provides all the warning necessary as to what happens next, here, should Biden + Harris cheat their way into the White House.
I’ll bet a genuine US silver dollar you cannot even read it through to the end. Too disruptive to your precious self-image … brainwashed red diaper baby that you are
Watson, you are more full of shit than a Christmas goose, L’ingMAOAY!! You actually sound a bit like Jones.
your presence here, Herr Dutcher, proves that there is a place for everyone in the ecology of politics … even thou. The Bible tells us that there are individuals who are sent “to wear out the saints”. Me, being in the camp of the Saints, and you being part of the anti-christ mob of scoffers, lewd fellows of the baser sort .. perpetually assailing us, throughout history. Demonstrating, also, what my Grade 3 teacher taught us = ” people use profanity when they run out of intelligent things to say”
that article re Jim Jones boasting about being a socialist, is directly on=point Mark McAffee’s rant of a few days ago… Canada has had the Milk Marketing Boards for 60 years. If you were to do your homework, you’d find that the Fabian Society defines itself as a front for imposing communism on the white Christian nations, under cover of the euphemism “social-ism”. To this day, their mascot is a wolf in sheep’s clothing
In the 1930s, the Fabian Society came up with its Progressive Economic Program, which FDR attempted to impose on America under the National Economic Recovery Act. But the Supreme Court of the US of A, nixed it.
The Fabian PEP stipulates cartels for state control of various essential products / utilities. Milk being one of them
All the other countries which tried the Dairy supply management scheme, rejected them. Canada is the only one which still suffers under it
the fact that REAL MILK is outlawed here, is a direct result of the dairy cartel protecting its special status. They – farmers and food processors – cannot let consumers find out what REAL MILK tastes like, especially, its health benefits.
For half a century, Canadians have been tricked into thinking that the ersatz whiteish fluid presented on store shelves mislabelled as “Homo milk”, is food.
the most powerful evidence of what social-ism does in practice, comes from people who lived under it. Michael Schmidt grew up in East Germany … infamous for being one of the grimmest of all the communist dystopias. Communist countries are nothing but a larger, open air concentration camp.
Watson, A saint you are Not!! LMAO!! No egotism on your part, is there Watson,LOL!!
FDA announces investigation of a third outbreak of E. coli O157:H7
https://vegetablegrowersnews.com/news/fda-announces-investigation-of-a-third-outbreak-of-e-coli-o157h7/?oly_enc_id=3469J9073134I3H
“Leading Canadian Health Expert Outraged at Government Response to COVID”
”Dr. Roger Hodkinson, MA, MB, FRCPC, FCAP, CEO and medical director of Western Medical Assessments, spoke at the Edmonton City Council Community and Public Services Committee meeting on Nov. 13 about the city’s move to extend its face-covering bylaw. He was listed as speaker number 95 on the meeting agenda.
‘Hodkinson was trained at Cambridge University in the UK. He is ex-president of the pathology section of the Medical Association. He was the chairman of the Royal College of Physicians of Canada Examination Committee and Pathology in Ottawa, Canada.”
“I would remind you all that using the province’s own statistics, the risk of death under 65 in this province is one in 300,000. One in 300,000. You’ve got to get a grip on this.”
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/health-expert-outraged-government-response-covid/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=7567c856-e5e4-4025-b60c-c8c7485fa5d7