I’ve heard it said that people who cut the cord with a cult often feel a sense of embarrassment, or even shame. As in, How could I have been taken in by an organization so warped in certain of its views, and leadership that it overshadowed the good it did. I’m referring, of course, to my involvement for about seven years in the Weston A. Price Foundation. I never had a formal position, and I’ve been away from it for three years now, but I still find myself reliving my involvement, and wondering why I didn’t see the light for as long as it took.
I’ll never forget how I became introduced to WAPF, back around 2007—I read about how the organization was compaigning against the state of Illinois prison system for poisoning prisoners by serving them huge amounts of soy (as a way to save money). (Eventually, WAPF would help launch a suit against the state, which it lost. )
I thought that was pretty cool. I was convinced even at that time that much of the mass-market food being consumed was potentially dangerous, or at least not very nutritious, and WAPF looked like the proverbial white knight in that cause on behalf of Illinois prisoners.
The anti-soy campaign made me receptive to all the teachings put forth by Sally Fallon Morrel, the charismatic founder of WAPF. I went to WAPF national and regional conferences from 2008 to about 2013. Of course, the major rallying issue for WAPF was raw milk, and resisting the regulatory attacks on farmers producing and selling it across the country.
For me, the fight for raw milk was simply the exclamation point in my growing enchantment with the organization. And the enchantment became a two-way street when I received an award at the 2008 annual conference for “Integrity in Journalism”. Favorable recognition is a powerful tonic.
Then, in 2012, I teamed up with Sally at the famous Harvard Law School debate on raw milk….though even then there were signs of problems when we had difficulties with each other’s presentations in advance of the debate; I insisted on acknowledging safety issues with milk, which she wanted to ignore. We papered our differences over, as I made mention of the safety challenges, but a tension between us persisted beyond the debate. I didn’t quite appreciate it at the time, but one of the hallmarks of a cult is that the leader is flawless. You don’t disagree with the cult leader, as I had done.
Of course, everything blew up when I joined Kaayla Daniel and the late Ron Schmid in questioning Sally’s blind endorsement of so-called fermented cod liver oil. She lashed out at us as “The Three Amigos”, and it continued downhill from there. Things went even further downhill when her husband, Geoffrey Morell, was accused by several women of inappropriate behavior at WAPF national meetings; I’ve read that sexual abuse is a hallmark of cults).
But the cult reminders have continued, even since I wrote the recent post about the WAPF people who have died of brain and other cancers. I just came across a WAPF page that celebrates, via a photo montage (“Healthy Baby Photo Gallery”), a number of young families committed to the WAPF diet. What caught my eye in reading through the diet descriptions was not only the cause-and-effect assumptions (the perfect WAPF diet leads to the perfect WAPF children), but how fermented cod liver oil remains an important part of the WAPF diet regimen.
The Spencer family children pictured at the start of this post are described in the montage as follows: “The entire family eats a WAPF diet of raw milk, fermented cod liver oil, butter, grass-fed meats and bone broths.” So WAPF not only continues to encourage FCLO, but encourages it for children. No doubt any more we’re dealing with a cult.
As you can see from this description of cult traits in Psychology Today, one key is that leaders are flawless. Moreover, they aren’t subject to questioning or error.
There’s one other aspect of cults that doesn’t get attention in the Psychology Today article: Trust is essential for most health-related organizations; once you lose it over something like continuing to endorse and encourage use of a potentially toxic product, you never get it back among those followers who retain critical-thinking capabilities. WAPF is rumored to have lost up to half its membership as a result of the FCLO fiasco; those dropouts stop believing pretty much anything coming out of the cult.
Yes, I hear you. I was on the raw milk safety thing before it was cool and I got chased all over the internet for it, long before it was cool to chug the rotten fish.
I don’t get the whole “cult leader” thing. Really, diversity of opinions win the long game. A leader who can’t stand differences of opinions (and worse: who won’t admit being wrong in the face of actual evidence) ought not be a leader.
Amanda, you are correct about the nature of successful leadership. A cult leader offers a warped kind of leadership, which is why it usually fails over the long term.
David I agree with your comments.
Thank-you for another great article. I’m grateful to have found Julie Matthew’s book Nourishing Hope many years ago. We are all different. https://bioindividualnutrition.com/
I usually disagree with your articles. But this one is right on target.
Welcome to the WAPF withdrawal club my friend!! We’ve been waiting for you. There is still some excellent information archived there for those without easily influenced personalities – they have done some good work, they just don’t appreciate healthy and reasonable dissent.
Please don’t feel too badly – they did to Weston’s work what Hitler did to the swastika and the KKK did to the battle flag. You are in excellent company. I wouldn’t go digging to deep though… you know… into farms owned in foreign countries and who is spouse to who etc etc. It gets darker my friend. -GrannySue
GrannySue: I, too am a member. We are in good company. Funny, I keep finding things Sally promoted which don’t work well, the most recent being using whey in ferments. Terrible idea. Certainly agree there is much darkness abounding in the land. We’ve all been taught a fairy tale all of our lives. So intellectually and emotionally liberating to come to this realization, and be free of belief in that nonsense. WAPF indeed has done much good, and I met so many lovely people there, but I think FCLO is so dangerous nobody, especially children, should putting it into their bodies. Anyone with a functioning brain should be able to understand that.
Good point, Gary, about the good WAPF has done, and the wonderful people there. I especially enjoyed meeting so many great people at its annual conferences, and I think that’s a big part of why I’ve felt so badly about leaving it behind. Unfortunately, the good WAPF has done gets tarnished by the FCLO disaster. Once you lose trust in one area of the food arena, everything else gets called into play in a negative way.
Once upon a time Organic Farming was said to be a “Cult”. But now it is going mainstream.
Organic agriculture continues to to spike in US
https://fruitgrowersnews.com/news/organic-agriculture-continues-to-to-spike-in-us/
Joseph, I am pointing to one specific organization, not to an entire movement or way of doing things (like organic food production). The only way I can see the Weston A. Price Foundation ending its cult status is if it gets new leadership committed to leaving the cult approach behind.
David, your blog has provided a valuable service by alerting others to concerns about FCLO. For the record I do not take FCLO. I once did for a period of time. I developed health problems like others described here on this blog. But once I stopped taking FCLO the symptoms went away.
Some in WAPF have a blind spot for problems associated with FCLO but not all. I question if the entire organization may be characterized as a “cult”. Some people find their way to WAPF information and health recovery after first having a decline in health associated with veganism.
In recent conversations with two WAPF board members I found out that they personally do not take FCLO nor do they want to promote it to others.
I figured out the dark side of Sally in 2007. David, have you ever wondered if she is wrong about the safety of raw milk?
Mary, I recount in the post my differences with Sally prior to the Harvard debate, over pointing out raw milk’s safety issues. She didn’t want to acknowledge safety as a legitimate issue. Now, that being said, I made the argument at the Harvard debate that while I judged raw milk to be riskier than pasteurized milk, raw milk isn’t as risky as regulators and the medical profession often suggests. I have made that argument many times since then, on this blog and in books, articles, and interviews.
As I recall it, your problem with Sally came when you complained to her about WAPF’s denial about raw milk’s risks, following your son’s raw-milk-related illness, and she didn’t even acknowledge your concerns. That absence of empathy on her part is consistent with cult leader behavior.
Totally agree with you about Sally and her lack of empathy. I would add to the list of “Cult Leader Behavior” personally editing the 2nd edition of The Untold Story of Milk and telling lies about Chris’s illness and lies about Bill Marler. Years ago I spoke to Ron Schmid about this. He didn’t even know she added all of this information into a book with his name as the author. I guess when you use her publishing company she can do whatever she wants.
Sally has always promoted unregulated herdshares as the best way to gain access to safe raw milk. She is 100% wrong and unregulated herdshares have had some of the worst raw milk outbreaks.
To be clear.
The safety of raw milk is something grounded in the gut micro biome and breast milk proteins and specialized sugars.
There is a real problem with overstating raw milks ability to suppress pathogenic growth. It is limited and it is very specific under some conditions.
For instance, science says that breast milk oligosacarides suppress the growth of pathogens and feed the growth of bifido bacteria. This is well known ( IMGC UC Davis ).
The problem is that this science is taken to extremes. Yes raw milk does have pathogen suppressing elements. However, they can easily be overpowered by super bugs and suppressed immunity.
The other non raw milk risk issues include the virile pathogens we have created with the over use of anti biotics, and critically important is the loss of the mucosal gut lining and suppressed host immunity in so many children and consumers. Together, this creates a ripe and prime set of conditions for illness. Not just from raw milk, but our favorite vegetables.
The bright hope lies in two things:
Clean milking systems, cow health monitoring and good conditions for cows.
Advanced technologies that can now very quickly detect pathogens on farm prior to consumer consumption.
Raw milk is not a cult. It is the first food of life and has preceded modern discussion by a million years. It has withstood the pressures of evolutionary selective forces with each passing generation.
No one will say that breast feeding does not promote exceptional health. Raw milk shares many of those same values.
I have no idea how FCLO ever got slipped into the WAP dialogue. That’s an anomaly.
Said from the dairy farmer that has had how many E. Coli 0157:H7 outbreaks from his milk and how many recalls for pathogens found in his milk? Mark, you are disconnected from reality.
unconsciously, you make a very good point Mary McGoogle~M … ie. even if Organic Pastures dairy has had “outbreaks” plural, the fact that they deliver ~=70,000 portions of REAL MILK, per week to eager customers { after 20 ? years in business } says something of utmost importance in a free-enterprise market.
The buying habits of those people = much better-informed consumers, than all other Californians, and operating in the real world not your paranoid mind-scape = provide more than enough of an evidentiary foundation for proving the case for normalizing distribution of REAL MILK
Customers of Organic Pastures, individually, have weighed the risk/ benefit ratio literally MILLIONS of times and they keep coming back, paying the premium to get what they want. You cannot argue with that kind of success.
if my old mentor Bucky Fuller were around today, with his disarming boyish grin on his face, he’d point to Organic Pastures’ success as a demonstration of “dollar democracy’, an idea he talked about in the 1930s.
https://www.foodpoisonjournal.com/food-poisoning-information/a-little-bit-of-history-of-raw-milk-and-organic-pastures/
And ZERO outbreaks since 2012. That’s saying something. You should quit regurgitating ancient history, Mary.
OPDC had an E.coli 0157:H7 outbreak in 2016. 10 ill, 4 hospitalized and 2 developed HUS. Not ancient history and I can guarantee you not ancient history for the kids that developed HUS.
The track record for OPDC is an E.coli 0157:H7 outbreak every 5 years: 2006, (RAWMI established) 2011, 2016…..2021?
alright MaryMcGoogicle … conpare that record – IF it’s correct, and that’s a BIG IF coming from thou – of ORganic Pastures Dairy, to any other foodstuff you can name, in commerce. I defy you to name anything in the commercial world, that has Zero tolerance for error. your pal, the famous Mister Marler took home his $$ from the lawsuit yet Jack-in-the-Box is still in business.
For goodness sakes – they have E. coli outbreaks in peanut butter, Mary.
This is not a raw milk issue – it’s a gut biome issue as Mark said above.
I believe the vaccines also play a role and it impacts immunity – intercellular heavy metals – check out Forrest Maready’s new book Crooked.
Mary, “I reject your reality and substitute my own”.
If the medical profession, industrial agriculture and the food processing industry continues with its ongoing, antagonistic ,incessant sterile manipulation, on the human body, animals, plants, food and the environment, then all those who focus on avoiding and/or limiting exposure to bacteria in the name of food safety are in for a rude awakening…
Ken Conrad: Right you are. Bechamp was correct. It is not the microbe, but the microbe/host interaction which creates pathogenicity. If not, we would all be sick all the time. since we live in a sea of them, trillions of them.
I love anyone who quotes Baron Munchausen.
It may be argued that the promoters of industrial (pesticide glyphosate CAFO hydroponic) agriculture are a cult.
Yes, a for profit at the expense of environmental and human health cult…
Here is a cult we need to wisen up to… The “Cult of Clean”
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/200809/cult-clean
“We’ve become a nation of grime fighters, and there’s growing evidence that we’re sacrificing our safety and our sanity to sanitization… But the most serious consequence of the cult of clean may be that it undermines the immune system, which, like the brain, grows and develops only when presented with challenges… As director of strategic initiatives at AmeriCares, Ella Gudwin grapples first-hand with the adaptability of germs and the tenacity of infectious diseases such as dysentery in disaster regions. “They evolve in response to treatments—and only become stronger,” she observes. “The whole world is covered in a small film of fecal matter,” she adds. “Just get used to it.”
Speaking of cultish, I find it cute that Mark McAfee compares my feeding my boys via my own breasts to him manufacturing product from milk brokers, an act still apparently unknown to consumers. The OPCD brand marketer did a finger wag me a couple of years ago about how the outsourcing is known to consumers and I just still had an axe to grind with Mark. She insisted that the dairy was fully transparent about outsourcing on its website. I felt convicted because I hadn’t paid attention to the website in years. I went back to my conference hotel room and looked at the website carefully. There was no indication of outsourcing. The brand manager is also a McAfee so maybe this strange need to chase a dollar over caring for people is in the genes. Maybe it’s on the website now. I’m not sure, but I did come across a video made by the OPDC brand marketer recently about the cheese, romanticizing the grass fed label claim, certainly with no reference to outsourcing. Somehow, about 200 OPDC cows seem to producing an awful lot of milk, producing enough for a national cheese line and, apparently, for pets across the country.
In any case, does OPDC milk compare to the milk I made myself, in my own body, for my sons? Only a guy pulling dollars out of other pockets would make such a claim.
As I said way back in 2008 when I made public the OPDC outsourcing, before it was cool: transparency is everything, in outsourced raw milk products and in rotten fish.
The actual lack of transparency in a movement in which it is critical is the dark underbelly of what was the “Weston Price movement.” May the actual Weston Price rest in peace.
Hi Foxy, Is it 2008 or 2019? Not much changes in raw milk world. LOL
Amanda Rose: Outsourcing? True? From other farms with cows on pasture?This customer had no idea.
Of course you didn’t. Organic doesn’t necessarily mean grass fed. At one time Mark outsourced his colostrum and bottled it as OPDC. The law was change, so he had to stop.
Here’s a blast from the past. http://www.rebuild-from-depression.com/blog/2008/04/the_elephant_in_the_raw_milk_r.html
Never feed lions.
123 million servings of raw milk and raw dairy products in 3 years. No illnesses. Zero. We learn from our errors and always try to do better. Test & Hold works.
10 children die each day in America from Asthma. I know one child….his name is Paxson. Bone broth and opdc raw Kefir saved his life. He no longer has asthma or food allergies. Are you saying that Paxton should have died? Tell his parents that they can not have opdc raw Kefir or raw milk.
Why not pick on lettuce? Or pasteurized dairy. Plenty of recent deaths over there. Or is it just raw milk you hate ? Are illnesses with recovery worse than deaths ? Strange math??
Does anyone care about all the good?? So sad that some wallow in 13 year old ancient history.
Mary, please respect our settlement agreement. Your attorney signed it and you were supposed to respect our peace ( that was 13 years ago ) at every chance you try and put daggers into me. Even after RAWMI and trying our very best to help others. Nothing but shaming and negativity.
Please….Have some humanity.
Just be honest Mark, and your past and present will not haunt you. For example, mentioning the Settlement. You can’t even tell the truth about that. I’m sure you got a gag order in your last Settlement in 2016, but not with me. Why don’t you contact that attorney and ask what we can’t talk about? Or if you try really hard, I’m sure you can remember. BTW, how many pissed off parents have sued you? Do you want to share that number?
prior to the Wright Brothers, “the science was settled” that “man would never fly”. The length of the first flight of a powered heavier-than-air-craft, at Kitty Hawk, was less than the wingspan of a modern 747. These days, Boeing builds 12 737-10 Dreamliners, per month and delivers them to very happy customers. One of the distinguishing traits of human beings, is : learning and improving … for instance = how to do raw milk dairying properly. Millions of Americans drink REAL MILK, today, directly consequent from the efforts of Sally Fallon, Mark McAffee and a few other pioneers we can name. May their numbers increase….But the name of the cranky old curmudgeon, floundering-around with one foot nailed to the floor, for decades! = will be long forgotten.
Mark, this is what gets you in trouble. You state, “Are illnesses with recovery worse than death? Strange math??” You have no idea how insensitive this sounds to a parent whose child has permanent damage from drinking contaminated raw milk, especially considering you are the person raving about RAWMI and still continue to have outbreaks at your dairy. So what exactly are you saying to a parent of a child with permanent kidney damage? Or maybe one that had a stroke and has permanent brain damage. Stop your whining, at least your child didn’t die? What exactly is your point?
Just don’t get me started here. Chris has been to 5 doctors appointments since December. Your milk caused LIFE LONG DAMAGE TO HIM. Am I supposed to feel grateful that he has to worry about his kidneys for the rest of his life because he didn’t die. You are an idiot!
seeing as how you’ve chosen to go on-and-on about it, on this forum … “everybody’s got to feel your pain” … even AFTER there was a settlement which included NOT going-on-and-on about it, publicly! … let’s see some evidence = by which I mean EVIDENCE such as can be tested = proving your contention that “your milk caused life long damange to him”.
produce the names and addresses of people who got sick, in the very same time frame, from the very same batch of milk that – OSTENSIBLY – sickened your son Chris. In fact ; 69,999 other people drank that very same batch, but did not get sick. Thus it was not the milk. Your son is a statistical anomaly much more likely attributed to his own lower immunity
Organic Pastures did what businesses do, when dealing with predators such as Marler & Co … they settle out of court, because litigating would ruin them, even if they were right all along
that settlement was NOT an admission of wrongdoing on the part of Organic Pastures. It was a way to get you off their back. You’ve already overstepped the terms of that settlement. Look out lady = One more straw on the back of the camel, and you’ll find thyself on the receiving end of a contempt of Court citation.
it will all blow back on you.
Of course there’s no placating you, Mary MCGoogle Martin : you’ll go to your grave ranting about how dangerous raw milk is, even while millions of people every day, benefit from it. You’ve got your “loser’s limp” so = Facts be damned.
Gordon – And people eat peanut butter and die. Why are they reacting to peanut butter? Is it the peanut butter? How come lots of other people can eat the peanut butter with no issues?
Perhaps it is the fact that their immunity is lowered due to gut flora, vaccines, etc?
You can keep blaming the foods or you can ask better questions. If you keep blaming the foods, eventually you run out of foods that are safe to eat and the solution is to pasteurize everything.
Glad to see you are recovering. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sbm-weston-prices-appalling-legacy/
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sbm-weston-prices-appalling-legacy/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17456213/
I will stick with Pubmed NIH science and turn the other cheek.
Mark, you always forget what the authors say in the last paragraph of this research study.
Dietary interventions are an attractive means for primary prevention. However, raw milk may contain pathogens such as salmonella or EHEC, and its consumption may therefore imply serious health risks [24]. A deepened understanding of the relevant ‘protective’ components of farm milk and a better insight into the biological mechanisms underlying the reported epidemiological observation are warranted as a basis for the development of a safe product for prevention. At this stage, consumption of raw farm milk cannot be recommended as a preventive measure.
I know you believe with all your heart that RAWMI will save the day for raw milk and I do believe it is common sense to have safety standards when producing raw milk. The problem is you always over sell everything. Remember when you believed that raw milk killed pathogens, grass fed cows could not harbor pathogens and if you knew the farmer that produced the raw milk, it was safe to drink? All 3 beliefs turned out to be false.
Remember when you went on a rampage over the coliform count for raw milk being change to 10 in California after your 1st of 3 outbreaks in 2006 You freaked out and said the coliform count didn’t have anything to do with producing safe raw milk and now this is what you teach. You brag about some of the RAWMI listed farms being at zero coliforms. Now safe raw milk is all about the coliform count
RAWMI helps farmers understand that pathogens can get into raw milk and puts protocols into place to help reduce pathogen contamination, but it is not a guarantee of anything and especially for pathogenic E.coli which has such a low infectious dose. Raw milk is an adult beverage because it has a risk and parents should not be encouraged to give it to their children. Children are the victims of contaminated raw milk. This is the group that suffers the worst medical consequences.
Would you go out of business if adults only drank your milk?
You need to focus on something positive in life, Mary.
Heather, you know nothing about me.
oh but we do know quite a bit about the interior of your fevered mind, Mrs McGoogicle … having seen it in text on this screen for nigh-on a decade. You’re a tragic case. Stuck in the past. Polluting the dialogue with your poisonous bile … you’re lost all perspective. Which is a definition of IN-sanity.
Like I’ve said before : the way back to mental health for you, is = take a good look around at devastation wrought in people’s lives – far, far worse than what happened to your son – then get down on your knees and thank God Almighty for him being alive and well.
One of the promises of our God to us in America, is : super-abundance of milk and honey … and He didn’t mean the Pasteur-ized kind
Mark- You should reread the Pubmed study you reference on Feb 4 becase it is not a true unbiased report .The study references farm milk it does not reference raw milk ,the study does not have any chrildren living in cities it only lists farm and suburban chrildren in the survey, also they admit they do not know how much of the milk in the study was boiled although one half of the participants admitted they do boil milk on occasion. At the end of the study they state “At this stage we cannot recommend consumption of raw milk as a preventive measure “.I have read many studies on milk and they all come to the same conclusion they do not recommend raw milk as a preventive measure .MILK is a good nutritious food any thought that it cures any illness at this time is purely antedotal and raw milk can be harmful expecially to young chrildren.Infants less than one year old should not be given any animal milk they should be given breast milk or infant formula. In conclusion I must say MARY Mc .is correct.
The heath benefits of raw milk remain underrated mainly because there is a systematic bias against it; a bias that is reinforced by a faulty and exaggerated narrative. Indeed, a bias that authorizes so-called health authorities and the police to shut down family farms in the same world where highly adulterated, toxic fast-food meals with sodas can be legally advertised for children…
Raw milk… AND ONLY RAW MILK, is a highly complex, living whole food, complete with digestive enzymes and protective antiviral, antibacterial, and anti-parasitic mechanisms. It is a nutritionally superior food made up of “fat and water-soluble vitamins, a wide range of minerals and trace elements, all eight essential amino acids, more than 60 enzymes, and omega-6 fatty acid with impressive effects on everything from insulin resistance to cancer to cardiovascular disease”. Raw milk is delicious medicine both at preventing illness and curing it. Raw milk is indeed that, “ounce of prevention that is worth a pound of cure”… and more.
Mary McGonigle-Martin wrote: “Years ago I spoke to Ron Schmid about this. He didn’t even know she added all of this information into a book with his name as the author. I guess when you use her publishing company she can do whatever she wants.”
The first book Sally Fallon published, “Nourishing Traditions”, was co-authored by Pat Connolly. Sally and Pat wrote the book together when they both served on the board of the Price Pottenger Nutrition Foundation. Pat was listed on the cover as co-author and there was a section in the book about the Price Pottenger Nutrition Foundation (PPNF).
After Sally left PPNF, she deleted Pat Connolly from the cover, and replaced the section on PPNF with a section on Sally’s newly formed Weston A Price Foundation.
You can search Google for: Nourishing Traditions Cookbook 1995 Pat Connolly
Original book cover is here: https://ibb.co/NKj6JBs
Balanced personalities seldom become world changers.
Sally and the WAPF changed my life, and I will be forever grateful.
But over the years, the info above and some info not printed above has become obvious. Sally does have cult-leader- like personality traits.
But me and others still love Dr. Weston Price. We need a new home.
Dear all,
Today I interviewed a young mom that had been living with Crohns since she was 19 years old, she is now 28 with three kids. After 8 years of pain, diarrhea and drugs with side effects including cancer, she is healthy. The case study gets even better, her three kids were suffering. The 3.5 yesr old had a “fever of unknown origin” with febrile seizures lasting 2-4 minutes every month for more than a year. 18 months ago mom said “enough” and began a quest to rid herself of 6MP, Lealda, corticosteroids and other heavy medications that just made things worse. These were chemo drugs and they could kill her!! She was under heavy stress with sick kids and continuous pain. Sitting on the toilet for hours every day.
To make things even worse she could not make enough breast milk to feed her baby and she had lost 25 pounds as she only weighed 85 pounds ( down from 105 ) She felt like she was dying.
She read Jordan Rubins book “Makers Diet” and took a good look at GAPS. She started a whole food diet, started drinking raw milk and stopped all meds. That was a year ago. Her kids started drinking raw milk, lots of it. They craved it! The 3.5 year old was no longer ashen in color and now was happy with bright pink in her cheeks. This was so foreign to the family, because they had not been drinking milk for several years. Pasteurized milk made mom sick with allergies and she could not tolerate it. Neither could the kids.
The entire family changed. She immediately produced lots of breast milk after two days on raw milk… and her baby was super happy. She no longer has Crohns and no longer had pain or diarrhea. Her 3.5 year has not had a fever or a seizure since starting raw milk. That was 18 months ago. Mom gained back her weight! And No more stress.
This is not a private personal case study, this is a whole family case study that was incredibly personal and profound. In closing she said….I can not live with out raw milk and it saved my families life!! With tears in her eyes. She knew she had avoided cancer and maybe death. She had also stopped the seizures in her little girl. Seizures that doctors could not treat or figure out. She had also been able to continue the gift of breast feeding !
Farmers over Pharmacies.
All disease begins in the gut. When your gut is happy, your body and your family is happy.
It is tragic that stories like these are not considered relevant. They are disregarded as irrelevant and anecdotal. Disregard of how the gut micro biome functions dooms those to certain illness.
We live in sick times….
As Michael Schmidt said:
Raw milk is both love and war.
To those that embrace love, bless you, to the others, bless you as well. I will never abandon deep nourishment and our customers.
Namaste – I know my true north and will not be distracted by hate, anger or pharma.
Funny that raw milk is not even mentioned here:
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/best-kept-secrets-prevent-halt-or-even-reverse-macular-degeneration?utm_source=Daily+Greenmedinfo.com+Email+List&utm_campaign=b669e4b571-Coconut+Oil+Protects+Against+Macular+Degeneration&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_193c8492fb-b669e4b571-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D&ct=t%28Coconut+Oil+Protects+Against+Macular+Degeneration%29&mc_cid=b669e4b571&mc_eid=%5BUNIQID%5D
Mark can I share this on my blog? This is an awesome testimonial.
Well said Mark…
Ditto.
Mark, your participation and comments are appreciated, never let the naysayers get you down. Uplifting stories like these are a good antidote for the corporate greed driven bashing and terror mongering from anti-raw fanatics like you know who.
❤️??☘️????
Ann Marie, yes you may.
A final video will be edited and posted at http://www.farmersoverpharmacies.com in the upcoming weeks.
Her name is Samantha and she is very happy to share her case study.
Ken. Thank you.
Tony…. hi five!! ???
Can anyone here answer this question: Where do fluoridation chemicals come from? Is there any truth to the following?
Fluoride Fundamentals #4: Sources of Fluoride
The fluoride they use in drinking water is a toxic byproduct of the phosphate fertilizer industry.
In the past, when the fertilizer industry let fluoride gases escape from fertilizer plants, vegetation became scorched, crops were destroyed, and cattle crippled. In a 1970 review by the US Department of Agriculture (USDA), “Airborne fluorides have caused more worldwide damage to domestic animals than any other air pollutant”.
A CBC documentary describing the effects of a phosphate fertilizer plant in Dunville, Ontario states, “Farmers noticed it first… Something mysterious burned the peppers, burned the fruit, dwarfed and shriveled the grains, damaged everything that grew. Something in the air destroyed the crops. Anyone could see it… They noticed it first in 1961. Again in ’62. Worse each year. Plants that didn’t burn, were dwarfed. Grain yields cut in half…Finally, a greater disaster revealed the source of the trouble. A plume from a silver stack, once the symbol of Dunville’s progress, spreading for miles around poison – fluorine. It was identified by veterinarians. There was no doubt. What happened to the cattle was unmistakable, and it broke the farmer’s hearts. Fluorosis – swollen joints, falling teeth, pain until cattle lie down and die. Hundreds of them. The cause – fluorine poisoning from the air.”
Today fluoride (hydrofluorosilicic acid) is captured in scrubbers. It is classified as a hazardous waste and is barreled up and sold, unrefined to communities across the country. These communities then add hydrofluorosilicic acid to their water supplies as the primary fluoride chemical for water fluoridation; a convenient way to disperse it over a larger area…
http://fluoridealert.org/articles/limeback/
Information provided by the CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/engineering/wfadditives.htm
Interesting aside on common household products:
“Fluoride is in high amounts in many beverages, foods, personal care products, and pharmaceuticals. (snip) What are the top fluoride sources? Contrary to popular belief, the highest sources of fluoride are not your toothpaste or your tap water.”
http://www.cheeseslave.com/top-fluoride-sources-i-tested-over-30-different-drinks/
Looks like Miller was selling to people in a few states besides Pennsylvania.
https://www.marlerblog.com/case-news/millers-biodiversity-farm-in-quarryville-pennsylvania-link-in-19-state-raw-milk-brucella-outbreak/
It’s not really clear from the CDC post that Marler draws from just what is going on. Marler in his blog headline refers to “19-state raw milk brucella outbreak”. That would suggest at least 19 people became ill, and probably more. But when you read the CDC’s own statement, it is much more tentative–it makes no reference to an “outbreak” and says only one case has been confirmed (which was previously reported in many places). Here is what the CDC says:
“The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and state health officials are investigating potential exposures to Brucella strain RB51 (RB51) in 19 states, connected to consuming raw (unpasteurized) milk from Miller’s Biodiversity Farm in Quarryville, Pennsylvania. One case of RB51 infection (brucellosis) has been confirmed in New York, and an unknown number of people may have been exposed to RB51 from drinking the milk from this farm.”
https://www.cdc.gov/brucellosis/exposure/drug-resistant-brucellosis-linked-raw-milk.html
“Potential exposures” is very tentative. “An unknown number may have been exposed” is equally tentative. Nor can you conclude Miller’s milk was sold in those states–the CDC states milk from the farm “was bought or consumed” in the 19 states.
Big difference between “exposures” and “outbreak”, and Marler definitely knows that.
The CDC also states that one cow at Miller’s Biodiversity farm found to have RB51, and it has been removed from the herd.
hmmm 19 states. I thought it was against the law to sell raw milk over state lines.
On another note, I have a mom messaging me who is freaking out about this. She bought milk from this dairy and gave it to her year old daughter. She is a WAPF member and believed raw milk was very safe to give to children. Now she is embarrassed to admit she made this choice that put her child at risk.
Mary, as I’ve pointed out before, supplying raw milk and other food to private food clubs is a gray area. It hasn’t been ruled on in connection with the federal prohibition against selling/shipping raw milk across state lines. We know that juries in Wisconsin and Minnesota have acquitted farmers for allegedly violating state prohibitions on retail sale of raw milk.
As for the mother who contacted you, she may want to consult with a doctor who specializes in infectious disease. My guess is that he/she will advise that because any possible exposure likely occurred several months ago, in the fall/early winter 2018, the risk of infection to her child (or anyone) at this point in time is nearly nonexistent.
Here is what the CDC advised. https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/get-checked-cdc-advises-those-who-drank-raw-milk-from/article_d18e3a44-20ed-11e9-8c77-2789a96f9ef9.html
Mary, the CDC article you referenced is inconclusive and provides foolish and irresponsible recommendations. Where is the recommendation to stop using the RB51 vaccine strain???
The genetically engineered RB 51 vaccine strain is an experimental vaccine that is resistant to important antibiotics used in the treatment of brucellosis… yet the CDC recommends taking a course of antibiotics… indeed, a course of antibiotics that is going to screw up a persons digestive system and immune system for month and likely years to come??? It is this type of just in case medicine on the bases of a hunch that is the mother of all f—k ups!
The following two articles point out that the RB51 vaccine strain “is still infectious to humans, that the exact nature of its mutations have not been described and its efficacy remains questionable…” And yet again, the only recommendation the CDC has is to pasteurize milk and continue to advocate the use of this vaccine on cattle knowing full well that livestock managers and veterinarians continue to be infected with this genetically altered vaccine strain via needle stick and aerosol transmission???
“The search for ideal brucellosis vaccines remains active today. Currently, no licensed human or canine anti-brucellosis vaccines are available. In bovines, the most successful vaccine (S19) is only used in calves, as adult vaccination results in orchitis in male, prolonged infection, and possible abortion complications in pregnant female cattle. Another widely deployed vaccine (RB51) has a low protective efficacy.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5583415/
More recently, a vaccine based on a stable spontaneous rifampin-resistant rough mutant of B. abortus, named RB-51 has replaced S19 in many countries including the United States. RB-51 carries IS711 inserted into the wboA glycosyl transferase gene but experimental data with other wboA mutants indicate that additional unknown defects are carried in this strain Rough strains do not carry smooth lipopolysaccharide, and therefore, vaccination with RB-51 does not induce antibodies that are detectable in routine serological tests. This is an obvious advantage in many cases but may also result in the late diagnosis of accidental human infections, although RB-51 appears to be much less virulent for humans than S19 and Rev.1 vaccines. At present, several million animals have been vaccinated with the RB-51 mutant strain, but the protective efficacy in cattle compared to S19 remains controversial, and the protection against Brucella suis in pigs and against B. abortus in elk is very limited, if present at all.
https://cmr.asm.org/content/20/3/489
If you look on the WAPF’s “Real Milk Finder” website at https://www.realmilk.com/real-milk-finder/ plus individual farm websites, several private buying clubs associated with farms are distributing over state lines. This list hasn’t been updated since 2016, but this is a list compiled at that time.
Miller’s Organic Farm – 11 states (AL, AZ, CA, CO, FL, GA, MA, NC, NJ, NY, PA)
Miller’s Biodiversity Farm – 5 states (CT, DE, MA, NJ, NY, RI)
Meadow Ridge Farm – 11 states (AL, CT, FL, GA, MD, NJ, NY, OH, RI, VA, WV)
Rocky Ridge Club – 4 states (DC, DE, MD, PA)
Obviously Millers Biodiversity has increased from 5 to more than 19 in the last 3 years.
This shows however that state laws which ban raw milk distribution are ineffective. It is one more argument for national standards.
It should also be mentioned that if farmers have biosecurity plans which include (1) maintaining a closed herd, (2) strict quarantine procedures, and (3) testing all new animals for disease, it should not be necessary to vaccinate them for Brucella.
Hard to identify in the early phases and this is probably why the CDC is recommending people who drank the milk from this dairy in the last 3 years get tested.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/brucellosis/symptoms-causes/syc-20351738
this episode being more+ better proof of how out-of-touch officialdom is, with the real world. So the CDC urges people to get tested if they’ve consumed raw milk within the last 3 years? Better get tested for salmonella, too, if you’ve had a Caesar salad at a restaurant, too! 25 percent of eggs coming out of CAFOs test positive for salmonella, thus = since raw egg is part of the classic dressing for Caesar salad, then millions of people have something else! to worry abaout. Fortunately, Marler Clark is right there, offering its services … slavering-away at the prospect of another Y’UGE! payday as they sue everyone in sight.
As I previously stated, “I’ve been a livestock farmer (dairy and beef) for over 50 years; have yet to encounter a case of brucellosis or undulant fever, and have never vaccinated for the disease despite the fact that I along with most dairy farmers drink raw milk and feed it to our children, relatives and friends.
The B. abortus strain RB51 is a variation of the naturally occurring B. abortus wild strain; it is the official vaccine strain for the prevention of brucellosis in cattle in several countries.
With respect to the mentioned New Jersey woman’s Brucellosis diagnosis the only thing confirmed about it is that she acquired the antibiotic-resistant Brucella abortus RB51… a live attenuated genetically engineered vaccine strain of brucellosis that is resistant to the go-to antibiotic treatment of choice by physicians for brucellosis, “Rifampicin”. In other words, the woman’s illness was the result of a vaccine used to inoculate cattle!
Read, “Human Illness Associated with Use of Veterinary Vaccines”
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/37/3/407/437242
The lone Texas woman was also reported to have been infected with the same vaccine strain of Brucella RB51.
http://www.pharmacytimes.com/resource-centers/gastrointestinal/cdc-raw-milk-from-texas-dairy-contaminated-with-brucella-bacteria
The only link between the above two mentioned cases and likely the New York case is the vaccine…
David, something else to remember is that just as in the “vaccine principle,” a small amount of exposure can be an antidote and protection to actually contracting a disease. Zero tolerance remains a persistent myth for the naysayers, despite all the evidence that immune systems get stronger from exposure.
Rutgers Extension to discuss romaine lettuce
Meeting is scheduled for Feb. 15 at the Rutgers Cooperative Extension of Cumberland County
https://www.morningagclips.com/rutgers-extension-to-discuss-romaine-lettuce/
https://weather.com/news/trending/video/zombie-deer-disease-affecting-24-us-states?isSubsequent=true
Zombie Deer Disease! ? ?
The Zombie Apocalypse is always proceeded by a Deer Zombie Apocalypse!! Drink your raw milk….you are gonna need it. LOL.
Monsanto Roundup Attacks Healthy Gut Bacteria, Lawsuit Says
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-13/roundup-attacks-gut-bacteria-in-people-and-pets-lawsuit-alleges
Joe Heckman The US Environmental Protection Agency USDA has said Roundup has not been shown to cause cancer ,other agencies worldwide have also had the same results .Now the lawyers are going after gut bacteria ,and next they will claim Roundup causes Hemorrhoids.NO MONEY SHOULD BE GIVEN OUT IN THESE CASES UNTIL THE FACTS ARE PROVEN BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT ,as should be in any case .All these cases of Non Hodgkins lymphoma just poped out of nowhere when the first case was deceided by an uninformed and nullified jury .
Here is a good book on the subject: Whitewash: The Story of a Weed Killer, Cancer, and the Corruption of Science by Carey Gillam
Bill, Bill, Bill….
Please study the physiologic mechanisms on how Roundup kills plant life. You will discover that the mechanism near the roots in the soil are in parallel with the villi in the gut. Roundup destroys the bacterial action at the root-soil interface. Soils and our Gut micro biome are inextricably linked. Roundup is a strong antibiotic. That is how it is registered at the EPA. As humans our very existence relies on bacteria to run our human genome. Do the math.
http://www.moraybeedinosaurs.co.uk/neonicotinoid/Glyphosate%20is%20an%20antibiotic%20and%20Japanese%20knotweed%20is%20a%20Glyphosate-Resistant%20Super%20Weed.pdf
Read the science…..
Getting rid of our present administration is crtical to our survival. We are being poisoned for the sake of greed.
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Exposure to Glyphosate-Based Herbicides and Risk for Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma: A Meta-Analysis and Supporting Evidence
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1383574218300887
FDA issues final report on E. coli outbreak in romaine lettuce
https://vegetablegrowersnews.com/news/fda-issues-final-report-on-e-coli-outbreak-in-romaine-lettuce/
Dear friends,
I am not a drinker, but sometimes, reading all of this makes me want to start drinking!!
It just so happens that a great cure for the hangover rests in beneficial gut bacteria.
There are two classes of bacteria in the gut when it comes to clearance of alcohol. Alcohol is metabolized into toxic by products. There are classes of bacteria that either accumulate or break down and clear these toxins.
Lactobaccillus is one if the bacterial classes that effectively clear these toxic byproducts. So if you drink, follow up with raw milk Kefir. You will feel so Much better !!
https://snip.ly/c24k6i#https://ubiome.com/blog/post/alcohol-metabolism-drinking-puts-microbes-work/
Her is some practical and sound advice…
https://www.thelunaticfarmer.com/blog/2/16/2019/superflu#comments-5c6863a9ee6eb079bf1849ad=
“I’m a strong believer in the “hygiene hypothesis” and the whole notion that our immune system is like a big muscle. It needs to be built up first, but then it needs to be exercised. You can’t have a good functional muscle if you haven’t eaten properly and if you don’t exercise the muscle.
‘When you eat non-sterile food and get outside to work, your immune system enjoys many small assaults. Whether it’s bacteria in raw milk or pieces of dirt on a freshly-picked carrot, these small assaults keep our immune systems aware and awake. Splinters and scraps from yard work, gardening, cutting firewood, feeding chickens or whatever actually guarantee an active internal immune system. Walking through a field of cow pies is a great thing. So come out for a visit.”
So. I was right about SFM. I wouldn’t go so far as to say I feel like an ex-cult member but the parallels are disturbing. I won’t identify myself (not to be coy, it’s just a surprisingly small world) but I was pretty heavily into WAPF from 2004 til about 2009. I attended two sequential annual conferences in Chantilly, VA, with my late partner, and attended several talks in the Upper Midwest presented by SFM, before she took to using her married name. A bit later, I was coordinating food events locally and bringing lots of families and farmers together for mutual benefit. A bit after that, I was deeply involved locally with a WAPF-guidelines kind of food buying group, until that fell into disarray over money (aint that always the way of it?). Each time I encountered SFM, whether listening to her talks, or the time she graced us with her presence at the food buying club, I had this gut feeling of “coldness” about her that confused me. No one else seemed to notice anything wrong, so I kept quiet. When I tasted FCLO at one of the annual conferences, it revolted me. I had no idea the long-term effects on people, until I happened to decide to look her up just the other day and see what was happening. I’m sorry to see that some familiar people have passed on, but to think it was related to the stuff WAPF pushes is horrifying! Thank God we stayed away from FCLO. What ultimately killed my interest in WAPF was the way we were treated when we attempted to start a local chapter. We attended one chapter leader meeting at the national conference, and somehow SFM decided she had an issue with me and my partner, and lo and behold, we were very soon after stricken from the rolls of chapter leaders– just like that. Yet the other chapter leader who had questionable creds has gone on to present at later WAPF conferences. That was when we started referring to her between us as Sally Fallacy. Looks like we were more correct than we knew! I left WAPF for good shortly thereafter, but due to hard-driving critical thinking skills (and apparently some sort of ESP or something, given my aversion to that woman), I still do my own version of traditional foods no matter what anyone says. When the conference rolled into this region in Nov 2017, I was asked to attend, and in fact received a special invite in the mail to rejoin WAPF, but I could not muster the energy. Seeing what you all have said here, I’m SO glad I didn’t rejoin.
It’s interesting how things fall apart over time…
Sally mocked David Gumpert, Ron Schmid and Kaayla Daniel as the “three amigos.” What she apparently failed to realize is that the “three amigos” saved their village. Too bad the three couldn’t save WAPF. Perhaps they did save the lives of some who left the cult and quit drinking the Kool Aid.